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DarthValtrex
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4 years ago

Bangalore needs a major rework

Let's look at her smoke, it's easily countered by Digital threats. Blood hound can see straight through it with scans or ult. Horizon can also get out of the smoke easily or look down into it and see outlines/shadows of players in the smoke. 

Her ultimate can be blocked by Gibi dome and Wattson Ult. It can also be avoided via Horizon and Valks tactical. 

She was already a mid tier legend to begin with and this has all diluted the impact of her abilities to the point of being bottom tier legend. The double time is great when it works, but the Spitfire's endless magazine and 0 recoil guarantees you'll get stunned and ends the double time immediately. Before the buff to the spitfire most players would miss a substantial amount of shots due to the double time, allowing Bang to fight back as they reload or make an exit. Even if I manage to get the spitfire players to miss 20 bullets, it has 0 impact on the fight because they likely have 35 rounds remaining. 

The smoke buff is not noticeable, I'm still getting shot through the smoke. Especially when I'm not in a building. Lighting can play a huge part in this, but seeing shadows/outlines of people in smoke is still extremely common.

There are no other legends in the game that have their abilities so easily countered by so many things in game. I'm definitely an above average player with Bangalore, I'm in the top .3% in terms of total damage done with her and top 3-4% with kills. Yet I feel like I'm at a huge disadvantage in nearly every single fight I get into. I have rely entirely on my guns to win fights now and get 0 assistance from abilities.  

I don't want her to be OP, but I don't want her to feel like she is at a disadvantage. 

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  • @E9ine_AC wrote:

    @LordloshBangWell that's something I feel is never put into consideration. When I played wraith it was not because I felt she was broke and the best legend in the game. It was because I enjoyed playing her more than the other legends what abilities they offered and how fluent the movement is. So for us who just played her because it's who we found the most enjoyable was hit every season with nerfs. So I feel a lot of those wins and pick rates were not purely built around playing her because she was broke but because we found her the most fun which padded those numbers.

    I always say that if I found other legends as enjoyable I would play them all the time. But a lot for me are just boring.


    Yeah i know what you are mean. I never care about tier list, which is the best one. I started with Mirage at first. Then i played Octane a bit, and then i finally find myself in Bangalore.

    And my change was due to my playstyle, it has nothing to do with how strong X legends were.

    But like 90% of the playerbase, and this is not just in FPS, but in RPG, MMORPG and so on, they are playing what the current best meta legend is. And they don`t care about balance, don`t care about if other legends are bad, don`t care if their legends has absolutely broken abilty and so.

    They want number 1. Also a lot of player just watch a X streamer, and like 90% of the streamer at that time was either using Wraith or Path, and here it goes.

    But all that saying, Wraith was getting away with so much. So many bad players were playing her as a W key. As well as higher level players, because they could get away with so much. And yeah their stats would never even be close to what its like with Wraith if they are using different legends. They would have died way more, and not get away with so many things.

    Cause lets not pretend, that being able to insta Q(for so long, and even now), and completely dodge 99% of the ultimates ING, and completely dodge any nades or certain kills are not affecting your stats. If i get stuck with arc i`m 500% dead. If she get stuck with Arc, she is getting away, due to her Q. If i get f***** sucked by Horizon ult, and i`m on reload or the enemy are close to me, even if i down the ULT, i`m 100% dead, because my attention is on the hole, not the enemies. Wraith can just Q and get away.

    If i charge like a madman without my teammate and end up on enemy team i`m more than dead in most of the time if i charge completely like a bull. Eh Wraith player was getting away with that as well. If you have enough skills you still are going to get away.


    Again going to talk about the strafiing animation, and how the small hitbox affect this huge time. With Wraith you can just spam a-d with a crouch here and there and her animation is super OP, and now matter how good you are tracking, you going to end up missing your shots, even if the enemy just spam a-d. Good luck doing with this bigger legend, you will get insta killed, cause your box was barely moving. Fast strafes are the hardest to track, and everyone with good aiming can tell you that. And if the enemy actually have a good movement, and good reactivity, and have a good strafing pattern, not just mash in there, oh good you are in a huge trouble.

    And some saying just get gud, and they have no problem with shooting Wraith, and its the same with Giby or so, are completely nonseses.

    I got more than 1k hours on Kovaak. My Tracking is my strongest point(kinda lack a bit in Click timing, and being overall good, but nothing special at TS), and the difference between small and big target, even on a top aimer is huge.

    You will see a top 10 score with like 40-45% accuracy on a small fast strafing target for example, and like 80% on the same scenario, but not a small one. And let me tell you that the difference between 40% or 50% acc is absolutely huge. Seeing the damage number is way more reviling, than oh there is not much diff. between 40 and 50%, but yeah there is a HUGE difference.

    Also a things like oh dear they are shooting at me from range, and i`m running at the open and still get away. You won`t get away most of the time if you having a bigger hitbox. Same as landing the last few shots needed to kill, or charge in and punch someone. 
    With Bang for example if i crouch on a bin, they will erase me straight away, with Wraith they can`t see a thing on my body and i`m 100% safe.

    And all the pretending fan, don`t touch her, just buff the rest, and the same Wraith player then end up complaining in every thread that they can`t win a 1vs1 fight against Gibraltar, even when they are not suppose to do so. Still if you are good enough, you will be able to pull this. 

    All this talk is about the early Wraith, not the current, so don`t get me wrong.

    I have long ago said she is alright, strong but fair.

    And i was the guy who was actually 100% against nerfing her hitbox. Because this is lowering the skill ceiling, and for people like me that always strive for improving, having small hitbox(if possible on any) is a great thing.

    And don`t get me wrong again a good Wraith player is going to be a good Bangalore or Gibby or Octane player.

    But a lot of lower skill players were thinking they are gods, simply cause they were riding on a OP legend. And this ain`t something forwarded to Wraith. Its the same with Horizon players as well.

    And your posts on here was pretty much top notch most of the time.

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