COMPLETLELY DONE with APEX S25
Every season u have high hopes it's getting better, but oddly every season seems to be worse than previous one... Matchmaking has never ever been so bad, SoloQ is completly ruined, TTK is such horror...
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Then tell me why no large scale "gaming" of the system happens eg. in Chess and other Sports ? Bcs its an open system for everybody to see and People trying to manipulate can be spotted from miles away.
There is no other reason to hide it other than internal manipulations.
And the massive amount of MM complaints over the years lead only to 2 speculations :
a) Its either not working as advertised and has major flaws which they could not fix after 6 Years (hardly believable)
or
b) its rigged
Especially the whole AimAssist Controversy told us that Respawn sat on the Data for years and did not act while still talking "competitive integrity" up until their hand got forced by R5Reloaded and all of a sudden changes were applied which they always told us couldnt be applied in the 1st place ...
Its because of that History Players dont trust the company anymore.
And you admitted yourself, you dont know how the MM feels in Ranked.
I can tell you when you get bad team mates for 30 games in a row while being right in the middle of the rank spectrum , that does i no way resemble a bell curve. i should have at least got 2-3 Matches with mates higher skilled than me, but thats not the case.
Occams Razor my friend : If it feels rigged, its most likely rigged.
Patents like EOMM. the nasty Activision Patent or alike show that Industry is more than willing to rigg the outcome for Revenue sake. And i dont think Respawn is the exception to the Rule.
"Then tell me why no large scale "gaming" of the system happens eg. in Chess and other Sports?"
Those kinds of endeavors play out on a very public stage where anyone trying to sandbag in order to play lesser opponents would, as you say, be spotted a mile away. In the anonymity of online multiplayer gaming there are a lot of people who treat rank or mmr manipulation as the "real" game, or who, at the very least, have integrated those behaviors into their gaming to a level that might seriously surprise you. There's a reason why the vast majority of players in a six year old game are playing on a secondary. There's a reason why cheaters are banned by the thousand. People are strange and will look for any advantage they can, unfair, illegal, unethical, punishable or not.
Newsflash ... there is also FPS onlinegames with a visible ELO/MMR Rating and the amount of lowballing MMR is very low.
And what do you get out of having a low MMR if you normally should have a higher one ?
A hand full of bot matches, bcs if you win those to0 easy , your MMR will likely rise again.
Dont think that is a good way to have fun in a game, throwing multiple games so you can get 2-3 easy ones.
Hardly believable , lots of people would do that.
People would rather use "real" cheats to advance in a game instead of trying to lower their MMR"there is also FPS onlinegames with a visible ELO/MMR Rating and the amount of lowballing MMR is very low."
This depends entirely on how you define lowballing. Yes, it's any kind of punch-pulling behavior a player may exhibit, but it's also smurfing. Which is rampant in this game. All my matches are me solo queueing and paired up with teammates who have banners that say "I just started playing this game two weeks ago." One in ten of those players started playing two weeks ago. The other nine drop solo, drop hot, get two full squad wipes by themselves, and then quit the second they get downed. Okay, 1:9 may be a slight exaggeration, but 3:7 isn't. At all. And like I said, the squad wipes would cause that account mmr to move up pretty quickly, but the quitting early is a behavior, conscious or not, that helps keep it from skyrocketing overnight. But why would the player care anyway when they can set up a new account in five minutes and just keep the whole thing going forever?
You may well be right that most players wouldn't be bothered to manipulate their mmr if they knew what it was. Maybe the people that I observe are the exception rather than the rule, and the reason I see so many of them is because by definition they'll be most obvious in the lower end of the spectrum. But I have a hard time believing that players who seem to have zero compunction about cheating the game in every possible way would somehow be oblivious to the possibilities of mmr manipulation, or too lazy to try it.
Ever thought about the reason why that is ? Maybe bcs mot of those "smurfs" are fed up with the way Respawn does their Matchmaking and stupid streamer that even advertise such crap with their "Bronze to Pred" Challenges ?
Imho you dont have to manipulate yopur MMR if the game would work as advertised : "fair chance of winning"
Basic Smurfing could be stopped with TPM Hardware Ids, People spoofing hardware ID most likely are using also ESP, Aimbots, ect. and dont need to manipulate their MMR , bcs they have all the advantage they need.
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