Did Mastiff Get Nerfed?

@NitromethaneAPCan you educate me on what changed from early seasons to now to raise the TTK?

Yes I know evo shields were introduced but there have always been multiple shield levels. Now tho the shields dont depend on luck. Fighting levels them up.

Is there anything else? I'm not looking for generalized gun nerfs either. I want examples. Because I can give you guns like the TT and sentinel that had buffs to make them stronger.

Part of the issue imo is this constant rotation of weapons in and out of the care package.  Mastiff should have stayed in the care package where it was highly powerful.  LSTAR should have also stayed in the care package.  They had to nerf them just to bring them out into the loot pool in the first place.  I'm not sure they ever found a balance with them.  Meanwhile, they replaced them with viable options like Devotion and Peacekeeper.

Clip size decreased, adding more recoil, decreasing bullet damage / headshot damage etc. You could straight up lazer an entire team with one clip with R99, or r301 - or wingman.

You also had a lot more weapons being viable, the devotion with turbo charger could kill 4-5 people with one purple mag (vs purple armor).

With the little recoil + clip sizes you usualy downed two people with one clip, that changed to now almost downing someone but having to swap weapons to finish that one guy (if they have good movement).

Also, Season 2 was before sniper rifles go their own ammo type.  I never liked this change at all.  It restricts options which has essentially shelved sniper rifles for me.  Before this change, you could swap between AR and sniper without messing with your ammo inventory:

- G7 for light ammo

- Longbow for heavy ammo

- Triple Take for energy ammo

It's a very underrated thing people don't often talk about, but the ability to on the fly swap to a DMR without worrying about changing ammo types was HUGE.  The flexibility that allowed in combat and different situations can't be understated.  It also helped tremendously with the subject of weapon power and having viable options on hand.

Ah yeas, lets by all means bring back the old PK that could one shot everyone.

The low TTK is only advantage to people who can't hit more than 5 shots in a row, to be able to land more actually shows that you have at least decent aim.

Also reaction time is nullified completely if TTK is low and you get 1-2 shotted by enemy that made 0 sounds in game that somehow makes it that you hear people shooting 500m away from you, but can't hear wraith ripping a humongous fart in your face while they empty their gun at the same time.

The current TTK is alright, imagine this situation where enemies can never hear that you are coming and would be melted in 0.2s

@KelRiever You do know that every game needs balancing right? Do you even play Apex? How can't you see that Mastiff was literally OP because you could take down an enemy with two shots? The only way you could counter that was to have a Mastiff for you too but guess what you don't always have since this is a BR and RNG kicks in. You can outplay an eva8 with an SMG or AR, but you couldn't do the same with a Mastiff (unless the guy using it is a complete trash player). Now this has improved and most of the times it will take 1 more shot to take down a guy with a Mastiff. And don't bring the buff all the other guns thing, what do you want? To one shot everyone easily? Giving them no time to react? You're forgetting that Apex isn't just about shooting but movement is also a major factor in the game, so you have to be good in both of these things to be a decent player. 

Saying that Mastiff didn't need a nerf is just wrong and non sense, maybe you don't play the game enough to see how op that gun was.

@@Cross yes games need balancing but there are many tools for balancing. This game to keep has obviously gone foremost with nerfs far more than buffs and it’s gotten to the point than it’s really bad.  And I do blame Respawn for rolling over. Players will always complain about what killls them. 

I'm starting avoiding shotguns altogether. All except Mozambique because I find this weapon to be actually fun to play with. I feel those traditional shotguns being rather 'cheaty' in my opinion. And before anyone comes and says "That's probably you get killed a lot by it!" - Yes, but also no, because I also killed a lot with the Mastiff. A damn lot. Now it's EVA-8 that get's used a lot.

I'm not picky when it comes to weapons. If I find an RE-45, I take it. If I find an Alternator, I take it. If I find a Mozambique... Hell yes I take it.

If I find an EVA-8? I take it, find the next cliff and throw it down there.

Clip size did decrease alot. And everything I said was true and contributed to having a low TTK in season 1-2, if you cant graps that aint my problem.

@BaldWraithSimpIntegrating hop-ups would be a great idea. I think that would bring SMGs and Pistols not named R-99 of course back into the conversation as well as the Havok.

I mostly use a similar rotation of guns. The Volt has been a nice add, and I also will use the LStar. The biggest change for me has been snipers. I would mix them in Season 2, but since they changed to their own Ammo type, I haven't wanted to mess with them.

@BaldWraithSimp  that combined with increased recoil + and damage numbers being higher back than all contributed to the game having a much lower TTK than we have today. I think this is a pointless discussion, you can ask anyone that played the game back in season 1-2 if the TTK was the same as today.

Now do you know what the clip magazine changes for Wingman was? Or are you just going to nitt pick R99. Do you know what the headshot values was on R99 back in season 1? And with the low amount of recoil you would end up having like 60/70% hs.

Bottom line is, you could down two people with one R99 magazine, you could down 4 people with one Devotation mag (turbo) - you cant do that now. Do you know why? I´ve already explained it twice now.

@NitromethaneAPYes, ofc the TTK was lower , I have played since day 1. Red Evo increased hp by 25 also. That's a 12.5% max HP increase.

I am not going to explain changes to each weapon, I used R99 as an example. Only way to prove how much the TTK decreased would be to make a spreadsheet comparing old vs new ttk, problem is I can't find S2 ttk spreadsheet.

E9 you won’t let go of your sensitivities I can’t help it.  Nobody even said you are a bad player.  But I’d bet you’d be better than you even are now if you stopped blaming the guns for getting yourself killed.