Did Mastiff Get Nerfed?

@NitromethaneAPYes, ofc the TTK was lower , I have played since day 1. Red Evo increased hp by 25 also. That's a 12.5% max HP increase.

I am not going to explain changes to each weapon, I used R99 as an example. Only way to prove how much the TTK decreased would be to make a spreadsheet comparing old vs new ttk, problem is I can't find S2 ttk spreadsheet.

E9 you won’t let go of your sensitivities I can’t help it.  Nobody even said you are a bad player.  But I’d bet you’d be better than you even are now if you stopped blaming the guns for getting yourself killed.

Nope.  We have differences of opinion but you’ve taken it personally.  I’m not worried about it because I certainly am to fecking old.  But I think the nerfing bent of this game has become absurd, this Mastiff nerf is the latest in players blaming weapons for their own deaths.  Fir from the problems of things like Wingman hits not registering.

Speaking of which I miss when the Wingman did actual damage.

But it’s what it is. I can’t help but wait for the next complaint to roll around.  Volt? P2020? Fictional Legos being stepped on in Apex?  Let’s hear it.

@E9ine_AC Nah we are noobs, doesn't matter if we hit every single shot of our AR or SMG, if we still die after two Mastiff shots that's because we are noobs, not because that gun was op. 😛

You should die after one shot!  I’m sorry that’s exactly what I’m talking about!  

But Cro you still even prove my point if it takes 2 shots.  Then more weapons shoukd kill you in 2 shots instead of saying the gun is OP.  How many shots do you want guns to do before you die? 3? 300? 300000?

Im sorry but that’s why I think the game community is wimpy.  It’s not personal but it is definitely a criticism of the community and this game.  When you die ftom 2 shots it is your own fault.  You should have killed your enemy in two shots.  You aren’t a noob but you are definitely worse than the person who killed you in that game.

Instead of his current quote, Kuben Blisk should say, “If you get killed, then they’re better, but only if you feel you shouldn’t have died in 2 shots cause you think somehow you were better than them and blame your gun.”  Lel!

@E9 I will yes, have to get used to it, I sincerely wish it was different. It really isn’t personal.  But right now there’s a Bangalore needs nerf thread going. When will it end!?

@KelRieverWe will keep asking for balancing changes and it will happen. You can keep crying all you want, while the rest of us will keep enjoying the game like we always have.

Edit:-

Seems like you lack the ability to comprehend simple texts. The thread is not about nerfing Bangalore, it's about why Respawn reduced particles in her smoke so it's easier to see in her smoke than it was before. I hope you can grasp that. 

@BaldWraithSimp 

red evo is not even the biggest factor to the TTK becoming higher, why I didn't even mention that.

R99-R301 had barley any recoil - you could easily kill 2 people with one clip, since landing headshots back than was super ez. Wingman from season 1 you could kill an entire squad with one clip.

Hell even alternator was crazy good in season 2 with the hop-up, and yeah people cried that it was too good. When in fact it was just challenging the R99/R301 meta.

TTK is not just shields, it has many variables - why you wont see a spreadsheet breaking it down, since you can't - how do you factor recoil / muzzle flash / pellet size / spread / bullet drop down damage scaling / amount of shots per second - single tap changes into a spreadsheet? ... If you actually played season 1-2, you would probably know what the TTK was like, but I dont think you ever did.

The game had a really good TTK in season 1-2, but people cried and cried and now we have a TTK that suites people with 400ms reaction speeds.

I hope respawn gets back to their vision and not always give in on the crying. Perhaps the former best Apex players would come back to this game, like mendo/dizzy/ace.

@Daze623  And they have calculated all the variables that has been changed that I named? Can you post the link to one from season 1 - 2.

Ones I´ve seen that are floating back from reddit did not even include headshot, it was calculated on body hits only - I mean you have to agree that those spreadsheets are a bit of a joke right?

Mercules904's TTK spreadsheet 

I think this was for preseason Apex even before L-star and Havoc came out.
I'm still looking for other early season Apex's TTK charts that people made. They're a bit harder to find now cause of how buried they are. The reason most of them calculated body hits only is because of how realistic it is that you'd most likely hit the body than spray down the head.

@Daze623 

The problem and complexity is, just to narrow it down to one subject as a reference. Headshot frequency, if we base a TTK on best case scenario. That would mean in season 1-2 that 100% of the shots where headshots right? Due to no recoil - no random recoil.

How would you calculate that in todays Apex? Even the best players in the world will miss shots due to random recoil, and will never really have 100% shots being headshots. How do you calculate the miss rate?

And if you simply calculate TTK based on bodyshots you wont actually calculate TTK at all, since how hard/easy landing headshots significally increases or decreases TTK.

This is the same for most of the things I listed, and why calculating TTK on a spreadsheat is nonsense. When you do not factor major attributes that have a major impact on the results.

@BaldWraithSimp  Wingman was just a spam fest? Perhaps you were just bad at the game and instead of crying you should have played fortnight or another game that is more suited for you. How is that advice you easily hand out to others fit you? 🙂

My KD back in season 2 was 4+ in soloq, I didnt have a problem at all with the game, and I enjoyed season 2 the most since it rewarded skill the most - we had the most versatile meta (not just 2 weapons being super strong). But then all the whining kids came in.

@Daze623  no TTK = time to kill. That is why you cant compare a TTK spreadsheat that is i from season 1-2 vs one from today, since too much stuff changed - random recoil, bullet spread, re-balancing and soo much else.

It means nothing. We all, who played season 1-2 know that the TTK was very different back than. Again show me the spreadsheat from season 1-2, that you claimed was a thing. You wont.

I will repost this :

The problem and complexity is, just to narrow it down to one subject as a reference. Headshot frequency, if we base a TTK on best case scenario. That would mean in season 1-2 that 100% of the shots where headshots right? Due to no recoil - no random recoil.

How would you calculate that in todays Apex? Even the best players in the world will miss shots due to random recoil, and will never really have 100% shots being headshots. How do you calculate the miss rate?

And if you simply calculate TTK based on bodyshots you wont actually calculate TTK at all, since how hard/easy landing headshots significally increases or decreases TTK.

This is the same for most of the things I listed, and why calculating TTK on a spreadsheat is nonsense. When you do not factor major attributes that have a major impact on the results.

@NitromethaneAP 
Season 1 TTK spreadsheet

Season 1 Spreadsheet google doc version 

@BaldWraithSimp  you seem really offended by your own advice, I mean that is exactly and the first thing you told me in this topic :D

@BaldWraithSimp  I mean you claimed that TTK had not changed since season 1, then you admitted it had - and now you are just being butthurt from receiving your own advice. Yeah I am the whiny one :D

Look I dont really care that you were super bad in season 1-2, or what excuses you had to make for it. If you didnt like the TTK you should have played something else.