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damsonwhufndthi's avatar
damsonwhufndthi
3 years ago

Does everyone have aimbot or are they just that good?

Like I don't know at this point what to think, I open door, and 90% of my HP disappears, enemy barely gets scratched, enemy runs into me, I shred 60% of their health, they start going around, I do ...
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reconzero's avatar
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@damsonwhufndthis

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist: cronus, xim, strikepacks... not to mention literal aimbots & wall hacks that are, I'm told, everywhere on PC.

I'd like to be able to say that I can tell the difference between someone who is good and someone who cheats, but I can't. Anyone who says they can is living in a fantasy world. Especially now that most aimbots are designed to miss a small percentage of shots in order to prevent detection. Let's put it this way: if I run into a player or two in a match and they have supernaturally good aim, then I'd be willing to put it down to "hours of practice or native ability." But these days it's half the lobby. And I'm not in anything like "high skill" lobbies. So there's really only two other explanations: luck or cheating. You tell me which one you think it is.
  • Smoking-Reefer's avatar
    Smoking-Reefer
    3 years ago
    @reconzero i agree, for me its the mental strength to try assume otherwise otherwise this game eats you alive, especially solo q
    • reconzero's avatar
      reconzero
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @Smoking-Reefer

      "i agree, for me its the mental strength to try assume otherwise otherwise this game eats you alive, especially solo q"

      Well said. This is exactly the struggle.

      @4ccbf460f7b926b1

      "Or it could just be aim assist."

      I've played on xbox for 23 years now. If aim assist did ANY of the things that the mnk people claim that it does then I'd be at algs, not complaining about the horrendous weapon mechanics in this game coupled to possibly rampant cheating. But no, I still have the same 25% acuracy I've always had. If there was any aim assist tricks to learn I'd have learned them by now.
      • 4ccbf460f7b926b's avatar
        4ccbf460f7b926b
        3 years ago
        @4ccbf460f7b926b1

        "Or it could just be aim assist."

        I've played on xbox for 23 years now. If aim assist did ANY of the things that the mnk people claim that it does then I'd be at algs, not complaining about the horrendous weapon mechanics in this game coupled to possibly rampant cheating. But no, I still have the same 25% acuracy I've always had. If there was any aim assist tricks to learn I'd have learned them by now.

        So your defense is that since you haven't learned how to use it to it's max potential, then nobody else has?

        Personally, All I want is a fair match up in skill, with mnk input, but Respawn has made it clear they don't care about casual players, and extremely don't care about casual mnk players.

        You should dig into aim assist more, learn how it works, maximize the 40-60% aiming the game does for you.

        That's quite literally how you get better at this game at this point.

        Watch videos that explain why it's broken, and use that to your advantage.

        Like this:

        https://youtu.be/RQ6L_niecNU

  • 4ccbf460f7b926b's avatar
    4ccbf460f7b926b
    3 years ago

    Or it could just be aim assist.

    People who have learned how to push/cheese aim assist to it's full potential.

  • Xubunnytwo's avatar
    Xubunnytwo
    3 years ago

    Then there are people like this Selly who have the cam on his hand just to prove he is NOT cheating;

    https://youtu.be/CdOXCkZUs68

    There will be some issues in the near future of PvP gaming as programs like EAC will no longer detect cheaters who are using hardware cheats.  It should prove to be a real challenge to the game developers to come up with a solution.  In the end, the cheater only deprives themselves of an honest victory.

    • reconzero's avatar
      reconzero
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @Xubunnytwo

      "In the end, the cheater only deprives themselves of an honest victory."

      I would have said that there are far too many people out there who either don't care whether their victory is honest, or who have somehow convinced themselves that what they do is legitimate based on any one of a million different rationalizations. The honor system just doesn't cut it anymore. If it ever really did.

      In the end, the cheater deprives all of us of confidence in game integrity. Which may not drive me out of the game, but which certainly does make me play in ways that my teammates despise and which is 180 degrees out from how the developer intended the game to be played.

      And the video brings two things immediately to mind. First, anyone can cheat on video, even a video that claims to be proving the opposite. Maybe ESPECIALLY on such a video. Second, if it is real, then it's a demonstration of how the developer made a conscious decision to build the game in such a way that it would actively seek out the handful of players with his innate ability... and then guarantee that the rest of us will grind away at a game we can never hope to be good at. Thus we just all sit back and rely on terrible sbmm and even worse cheat detection. Lucky us.
      • Xubunnytwo's avatar
        Xubunnytwo
        3 years ago
        @reconzero I understand where you are coming from on the spoilsports ruining the fun. Most of them tend to show up at the start of a new opening. I would expect to see a lot more "Banned for No Reason" threads to pop up in here on the 14th for a few weeks. This would mean someone is being diligent at their job. I am not saying false positives can't happen, but they should be very rare. PvP game format will have to evolve into something very different, if we are going to block these cheaters. Who knows what the new format might be, only the future can tell.
  • DeepBeats's avatar
    DeepBeats
    Seasoned Adventurer
    3 years ago
    @reconzero That is exactly the problem with the current state of Apex, not being able to tell if a player is cheating or not and since there seem to be a huge amount of players running around like pros makes me think its the former. Im pretty sure that the most used cheat in game is anti recoil being xim, cronos, macros or scripts.
    • Kyldenar's avatar
      Kyldenar
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @DeepBeats Which is just another thing that drives casuals away from the game, and lowers the matchmaking pools.

      If I feel like I have to cheat to even do half as bad, why would I bother playing it?

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