Getting shot through walls
When are you guys going to fix this? I get into a firefight with someone and jump behind cover. A full second later I take damage and get boxed. This happens in almost every game and it's always a cr...
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@RaginSamLag Compensation hasnt been always a thing, it came around 10 years after the first networked fps games (i dont count in MidiMaze, so i start with IP enabled Doom ...) hit the shelves and only for Instagib, took them quite some time to refine it for projectiles.
Ofc its an issue , especially the Apex one is prone for some weird stuff.
In other shooters every projectile has its own packet, Apex bundles info in larger packets (lets say 5 bullets),this has partly to do with their 20 Tick Servers.
One of those packets get lost ... literally 5 hits (instead of one) likely miss !
Also Apex doesnt seem to rely on a full backwards reconcilliation, like most other "unlagged" shooters do and go somewhat straight client side hitdetection without a lot of validation serverside.
The Backwards reconcilliation normally has a range to work "flawless" (most of the time up to 120ms), but that 120ms would technically forbid asian players to make use of the "unlagged" Euro Servers.
Relying on pure clientside hitdetection /prediction without any deeper validation is very open for exploitation.
In your example there is now 2 possibilities :
1) Your Packet with 5 bullets got lost, hence a lot of "noregs"
or
2) The Prediction in your client had way too old data to work with and predicted the wrong playermovements , so the position of your enemy on your screen was "false" (with false i mean, your client, the server and the opponent were "desynced") all along, thats why you "missed".
@r1ggedgameGood explanation but I've had the same experience with OW2 and the Finals. And in the recent server test for xdefiant it was even worse than Apex. Are these games sending things the same way?
I'm old enough to miss the days where we'd have to haul our xboxes, tiny tvs and network switches to peoples houses to have our own Halo Lans. That was always fun. 🙂
- @hayhor
I dont think they use exactly the same techniques (everyone has a special sauce to add ...) , but they all behave very similar.
I dont want to say its all the gamedevs fault that issues occur , they have to work around a lot of issues the internet has to deal with.
But one thing i really cant understand , why does no AAA Title fricken use IPv6 but the old IPv4, when its clear that normal customers wont get a real IPv4 from their providers anymore out of the box (the crap you get is called Dual Stack Lite, more or less a shared adress), resulting in quite some issues with gaming.
And in the case of Apex you can clearly see that they are squeezing the lemon atm, in the early seasons your ping was more or less the same from dropship to game end. now you have a "low" ping while being in the dropship ... as soon as you hit the ground it increases until everyone is on the map, then it decreases back to the value it had at dropship (roughly when there are half of the players left).
EU players now get send to russian apex servers (im not 100% sure but i guess it started season 19). In my experience, they are quite aweful to play on (not that the servers are bad, but i dont think with all the sanctions and cyberwarefare going on the routing isnt the best it could be)
But thats an issue with all lobby based titles, you simply cant just choose the servers that are playable on your connection, like in the good old times.
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