Harsh reality..

Exactly. 
It doesnt even need to be PvP game.
Helldivers, Aimlabs and even Fishing Planet has cheaters who use wallhacks to see the fishes. 

There was a campaign many years ago about normalize playing on easy mode. 
I think its now needed more than ever. We are now on the opposite end of that spectrum. 
You have to drop massive stats and completely destroy your opponents to get validated. 
This is given as an example by their favorite streamer or tube content creator. 

Games have too big impact on youth self esteem because gaming has become too serious.
People have lost the fun in gaming. You have to grind or sweat it to get the self recognition. 

I think there are two types of people who cheat. People who want to feel good about themselves and people who just want to see the world burn. 
I would assume the majority are on the first category. 

@reconzeroIDK, seems like EA just wants to make as much money as possible. If someone is cheating and spending money, it's still revenue for them. It's not like these big companies are actually passionate about gaming.

Very blatant cheaters, they'll ban them to keep up the appearance of trying to do something about it, but people being more subtle about it, they're literally everywhere in the game. I don't think you can play a round without a cheater in the lobby anymore. Not saying you'll see them every round, but I would bet there's at least a couple every round.

That's why I keep saying, don't spend money until they explicitly state they're doing something about cheaters as a priority. Like taking part of the revenue that normally would go towards skins, and instead go to combating the cheaters. It's far from impossible, there's a lot that can be done. Game design plays a HUGE role in it as well.

Anyways, I thought this was just common knowledge at this point. It's all about revenue.

Don't get me wrong, there needs to be a lot of passionate devs making the game for something like Apex to exist. That's where the passion actually lies, but upper management, they only care about profits. I doubt most of the upper management even play games, let alone play FPS games.

@RaginSam 

Of course EA wants to make as much money as possible. Its the whole idea of capitalism & entrepreneurship 🙂

If you could look at EA business strategy as a corporation I doubt nowhere would say "offer fun and fair gaming experience for everyone".
Banning cheaters is more of a marketing tool. Lot of cheaters or lot of talk about cheaters is bad publicity. 

Again, what other means does EA have to make a single dollar out of Apex besides the cosmetics sales? 
We bash sales events etc all the time but its actually the only source of income for Apex.
Its not like EA is struggling but basically there needs to be income for anything to happen.
Stock company needs to make their targets. Investors dont know or care about the concept of pro bono or goodwill. 
With that hosting servers & having people on the payroll is not free regardless of passion towards Apex.

Recent banwaves & new anti cheat personnel are great marketing investment by EA 👍

So you could say that people buying the skins are the real heroes keeping the game alive. 

Lot of IMO above. Take it with how you wish and disagree as you like. 

@Airish85I'm not disputing how they make their money, just that they need to invest more of the income towards anti-cheat. They can throw around big numbers of players getting banned, but people are still clearly walling in game. I'm constantly getting pre-aimed, and getting shot through geometry. Which is most likely aimbots.

So when I spend money on the game, what's important to me is: Server stability and anti-cheat. Which they do to some extent, but I want it to go further. If I see that happening, and they explicitly say we are doing xyz, then I will spend money on the game through cosmetics. I just don't really care about skins, regardless, I will definitely support any game I love. I won't keep spending money when there's glaring issues however, and hope it just gets better. Vote with your wallet. The people spending money on a broken game are by no means heroes either LOL, such a weird statement.

I don't care about investors, targets, or any of that, and I don't think you should either. I always find that weird when gamers do. How does that help improve the game? I could care less about all that. I'm not being naive or an idealist, it just has absolutely nothing to do with game play, or frankly upkeep for Apex at this point. All they do is steer the game in directions to make more money, so then they can siphon of "their share". Not beneficial to me at all.

Making games NEEDS to be about finding the fun, and in order to do that, the people developing a game HAVE to be passionate about that. The people who actually make the game function are most likely not greedy capitalist, just passionate developers.

FWIW, some of the best products have nothing to do with capitalism, or just maximizing profits. Things get developed from sheer passion all the time. I fly FPV drones, and there's all sorts of open development projects, and they rival companies, or even sometimes become the standard.

@RaginSam

"I don't care about investors, targets, or any of that, and I don't think you should either. I always find that weird when gamers do."

The thing to remember here is that if you have a 401k then the odds are quite high that you are an EA shareholder. Don't know if this group includes you but it definitely includes me. So while I very much view this game from the perspective of a player, I also view it from the perspective of an owner.

"Making games NEEDS to be about finding the fun...."

100% true, but somebody somewhere still has to make sure the lights stay on and the payroll gets made. Business and creativity are yin and yang.

The bigger problem here, as I see it, is that Respawn could create the perfect anti-cheat tomorrow and ban these people by the tens of thousands. And they'd all be back the next day on a secondary. Which creates even more problems than the original cheating did. Assuming the ban doesn't actually stop the cheating and they're willing to secondary until that one gets caught too. And it seems pretty likely they'd keep cheating as cheats are expensive and also: nothing to lose. There's no reason not to keep cheating. And creating new accounts. In a perpetual cycle of crime and punishment.

Sorry. I wish I had better news.

@reconzeroI don't think that's how things work... your explanation is riddled with flaws. Crime and punishment?! What?! LOL.

And sure, someone has to care about the financials, but you and I certainly don't. It's pointless to bring up in the forums.

If you ban cheaters, and make it more automated, then how would people keep coming back exactly? They could implement some sort of trust element into the game. You have to be a certain level, higher than what it currently is to get into ranked, and the higher the level you are, the more trusted you become. It's a buffer to keep cheaters out of ranked. There will always be cheaters in F2P games, but make it much harder for them to play ranked.

There are so many ways to combat the problem, it's no where near impossible. Since you can't imagine a solution, doesn't mean others haven't thought of good ways of dealing with it.

Cheaters are going to cheat.  It's an incredibly difficult problem to solve and I'm sure that the Apex folks are doing what they can.  Every time you find a fix or a tell they update it to be something else.  It's a constant game of whack-a-mole.  

It's pretty sad people feel the need to do this but that's people.  Gaming communities have a toxic side and there isn't much you can do about it.  I stopped playing FIFA (or EAFC or whatever they call it now) for exactly this reason, the community is just so bad.  They are just broken humans.