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Renegade_Prime8's avatar
Renegade_Prime8
3 years ago

I don't care if this is the "DNA" of apex, but third parties are too much

It is really getting frustrating now, I bump in to a team, we fight, we got thirded, the party wo thirded us gets fourth partied, the fourth party gets fifth partied. Never experienced so much third...
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swift07's avatar
swift07
3 years ago

@kittysunelol yep. Her sniper has a wider hit radius and it's on her alt, so she has 3 weapons. Snipers ruin the game for me. It keeps people from engaging because you have teams just camping far away sniping and third partying. So lame.

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reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@swift07

Apex was never meant to be exclusively close-quarters combat. Sniping and mid-ranging are, and always have been, a fundamental game feature. Vantage doesn't change that, she only amplifies it a little. Her existence isn't a bug, it's a call to all CQC players to think a little bit harder about what they're doing, where they're doing it, and whether they're playing the right legend to counter, or at least have that legend on their squad. No player in this game ever had an inalienable right to be out in the open without threat, or to be third-partied only by squads who are willing to get in close.
  • swift07's avatar
    swift07
    3 years ago

    @reconzeroShe does change that, because she always has a sniper, unless she used it up. So at any given time, she can pull it out and snipe at somebody. Not sure what her pick rate is, but from my experience solo q'ing, it's probably around 80% that somebody on my team picks her, most likely because she's new. Her whole kit is designed to enhance her sniping.

    I've been playing FPS shooters for 20+ years and BR's for almost 5 years. Snipers are a part of a lot of games but some games are designed so that sniping isn't as much of a threat, whether it's damage, difficulty of using one, or map design. In Apex, you have snipers like the charge rifle, which doesn't even have any drop off, and they're very easy to use because the beam that is cast is like a laser pointer that can guide your shot. This doesn't exist in any FPS games I played. Vantage's alt gives her intel on targets (evo shields, how many in the team...etc.) and her q allows her to get positioning by flying. Then you have KC, which is the current ranked map, that makes snipers more viable. It's boring.

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      reconzero
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @swift07 I know that these things play out differently depending on the average skill of the lobby, but in my lobbies Vantage is more an annoyance than a decider. Her ultimate is some quick damage, but if you understand the value of cover and the value of shield batteries, then it really isn't anything that can't be overcome. And the intel - knowing how many and how healthy the enemy is - is useless. Any legend with eyes should know whether they're up against a full squad or not. Or better still, ASSUME you're up against a full squad even when you aren't. ASSUME they're at full health even if they aren't. And her tactical is just a re-hash of a tactical that multiple other legends already have.

      As to how much of a role sniping should or shouldn't play in this game... to some degree that's just a matter of personal preference. But I will say this: you managed to push a button with me when you said, "It's boring." For me "boring" is a descriptor that allows people to self-designate as being adhd, or something like it. And while I sympathize with people who like a fast-paced game, Apex isn't necessarily that game. It CAN be, but it doesn't have to be, especially if peopled by players who like a longer-ranger, slower moving game. Some matches play slow, some don't, but what I don't want is any player, or the developer, deciding that one of those types of match is "wrong," and that the game needs to be altered so that it plays exclusively the other way.
      • swift07's avatar
        swift07
        3 years ago
        @reconzero the game is always being altered (updates). It's not perfect and aspects of the game change or are added, and they need to make adjustments.

        Because I said it's boring, you're telling me I have adhd? Is that something you came up or is that something that a professional has found in a study? If it's not proven by a professional, you're basically insulting me. Also, why does that push a button for you when I'm expressing my own opinion on something? If you have an opinion that I don't agree with or like, it doesn't push any buttons. I accept it as your opinion. Doesn't bother me.

        In certain situations, you don't have cover. One instance is when you rotate through certain areas, and...the ring change is not very forgiving.

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