It is clear EA needs help with their game....1. You need to release more content, guns and heroes are a great way of doing so, nothing major like maps is really that impactfull, when compared with the time investment.2. Apex masters and up should be solo/duo only, prob only solo. With a seperate pred/master trio only. Below that its whatever.3. Cheaters need to go ofc...4. Roller and MnK still needs to be seperated or AA removed in competetive. Want to compete, use the input made for FPS shooters to preserve competetive integrity, it might not be a problem fro some of us, but it is a problem for a lot of players trying out there (and the pro scene) and there is nothing more fair than input vs input.5. Balance patches needs to come out fast, See havoc being used by everyone and their mom, hotfix it mid season, with a small nerf, still isnt enough ? give it another a week after. Mozams akimbo being busted AF ? Dial it down instantly, just put out small hotfix patches ASAP to better balance completely busted guns.

I have to agree with Recon on this one. You say this - " It's a mental thing to try something completely different on an account you don't care about the stats."When you make this comment, you are doing so in a manner which seems to speak for everyone. Even if the above statement is the very reason you make alt accounts - that is one thing. If you think that everyone and their grandma that makes alt accounts, including the hundreds if not thousands that have upwards to 30 accounts of more for Apex is doing so for the same reasons as you state you are - you are sadly, sadly mistaken. (You are giving to much credit to humanity on this front)When a new player or a low level player is going up against top players on alt accounts... everyone says the same thing - "Well its ok, because the MM will place that smurf account at its proper level (as you so put it - "sooner than later.") - As if to say to that new player going up against a top player getting absolutely smashed to oblivion, that is ok, just take it cause the guy will be in the proper lobbies eventually. Just that is absolute garbage in my opinion. Now... with how many alt accounts exist in Apex, that poor noob, will face that over and over and over again as a new player trying to learn, expecting to be matched against similar skilled combatants as half the player base if not more most likely are using alt accounts. Is that fair to the new player to have to endure that constantly so players can have fun? Do the grind? To try something different? For content or clout. To practice trick plays and so on? When you say its not nearly as a big deal... you are speaking for your point of view... not the player base. And maybe to you its ok, but if you have been playing Apex for years maybe you dont understand. The game was a different beast back then. As a new player now, Apex is really hard to learn, even more so with the constant alt accounts you will be facing off against consistently as they stomp you as they are passing through. I would guess many would disagree with your statement - "its not nearly as a big deal." - This is subjective. If their was only one player in a blue moon doing this, it wouldn't be so bad once in awhile to have happen to you... but with the amount of players making and using them, it happens constantly, far too often... that is when it becomes a problem and destroys the ability for the MM to do its job properly. You also stated - "The games I get in Bronze through Silver are typically way harder than Gold or Plat matches."I hope you realize, a huge reason why this is... the over abundance of alt accounts. Most of the bronze and silver and gold lobbies are players much better than that on new accounts plundering and pillaging their way through the ranks. Many once the plundering slows down and the matches become their equal - new account and the cycle begins again. I'm not saying that is the only reason why ranked at lower levels is as bad as it is at the moment and has been for many seasons now - but it certainly contributes to the problem and causes terrible gaming experiences for the majority. But heh, as long as we all fight for a way to make gaming fun for ourselves, and don't care what anyone thinks... than all good I guess. Its just too bad that fun you are chasing after has to come at the expense of many many others.

I have to agree with Recon on this one. When you say - "part of the appeal of F2P games is making as many accounts as you would like. There's a lot of reasons do so, and none of which are because of cheating. It's a mental thing to try something completely different on an account you don't care about the stats."It sounds like you are speaking for everyone with this above statement. To even suggest that NONE of which are because of cheating... reallly? Maybe you yourself don't smurf for those reasons but to suggest nobody does is just ignorance. The majority do it specifically to have easier matches - yes, which means being pitted against players nowhere near your skill level to beat the hell out of them to feel good about oneself. You can't understand why some are so against it? If you are able to place yourself in the shoes of others you might be enlightened to the perceptions of others in regards to smurfing and alt accounts - despite that Respawn has ok'd it for the grind. Apex is a entirely different beast now than it was back in the day...especially for a noob player. It is extremely harder now for a new player to enjoy as alt accounts have added to the crippling of the MM and abolished in a sense, being matched against similar skilled combatants. Lots of players say, smurfing shouldn't be a big deal because much like you said - " There's ranked and SBMM, which regardless of your level, will then put you against similarly skilled opponents sooner than later." Meaning, some say, its fine because you will only meet that person once and after a bunch of matches demolishing new players and low level players, these individuals will be placed appropriately - eventually. However, with the amount of smurf accounts, that poor noob or low level player is going to face them over and over and over again getting plundered and pillaged to know end. Is that fair for someone placing their time and money into a game they believe is fair because the game is advertised as playing against similar skilled opponents? Unfortunately there are most likely more alt accounts at this moment in a 6 year old game than not. A massive amount of the player base (especially long time Apex players) have more than 3 accounts. There are hundreds if not thousands that have multiple accounts. I know of many that have over 30 accounts for Apex. Alot of players when they hit the top of their skill gap and are facing their equal don't have fun anymore, hence why they make a new account and start all over again. So for the low skilled players, new players and average skilled even, facing one person that has been playing the game for years on a fresh account is extremely frustrating as while they are making their way through the grind for the ____ time - you are cannon fodder, and decimated in mili-seconds by someone you can tell, is light years above your skill level. Is that fair? You make comments such as "its not a big deal." - Maybe to you, but what makes you believe that everybody out there shares the same opinion. If you are a below average player, how can this be something that is just not a big deal to you, if you are losing constantly and consistently to alt accounts used by players that have no business being in your low lobbies? In my opinion, like Recon said, if an account has been hacked than it makes sense... its a new primary account. These reasons like - I'm making a new account for the grind. Streaming for views or clout. Tired of playing sweaty. Want to feel better about my self. Enjoy beating up noobs and low skilled players. Or - I'm going to fight for a way to make gaming fun for myself. I don't care what anyone else thinks anymore - such as you stated above - all come at the expense of other people. That in itself is a much bigger problem. You mentioned yourself - "The games I get in Bronze through Silver are typically way harder than Gold or Plat matches." One of the reasons this is - is exactly that. The amount of alt accounts being used over and over again. Bronze through to silver have more top end players on alt accounts in it than legit real players that live in that skill bracket. Obviously being matched with noob players and low skilled players is a thing in those ranks as well as cheaters. But top players on alt accounts don't belong there in the first place. On top of being a noob or low skilled player, as if it isn't bad enough to face these accounts regularly again and again getting beating to a pulp on the reg... but they have to put up with the frustration the top end player on their team smurfing is feeling when it comes out in the form of toxicity. Like its the noob or low skilled player's fault that the top player smurfing is stuck with them. I'll close with this - you also said the following - "I want to hangout, in a multiplayer game, with my friends, and not stress out, or completely defeated feeling when these opponents feel impossible because they cheat or just completely no-life a game" Now I know you are talking about cheaters.. again, however - This very feeling above you stated is the exact same feeling (defeated) that new players, low skilled players feel on the regular when being beaten up again and again by someone light years above their skill level on an alt account in the lowest of lobbies. I hope that you can understand what my words are trying to say in this particular regard. Happy gaming.

@WhoopFighterEverything on your list is 100% correct. Agreed across the board.On the subject of secondaries we'll have to agree to disagree."It's a mental thing to try something completely different on an account you don't care about the stats."It's a mental thing to try and CHEAT the skill assessment and matchmaking in order to get cakewalk lobbies at the expense of legitimately represented players. If there are even any of those left in this game. If a player needs to try something different or risky then they need to do it in pubs. On their ONLY account. If I see one more streamer do a rookie-to-pred-run I will "insert something inappropriate and possibly violent here" and I will get just as angry at the dev for publicly saying that's completely legit to do this. It is not okay. It is not legit. It is cheating. It's worse than cheating. Doing it leaves a slime trail just like every other spineless thing that crawls across the face of the earth. If you have a secondary, or multiples, and you tell yourself that you have legit reasons for using them then you're lying to yourself and to every other player in the game. Except the other people who are using them. That's what a secondary is: a lie. The only reason to have one is if your primary got hacked and stolen. And then it isn't really a secondary. It's a new primary.Sorry to be harsh but that's how I see it.

@8LRT5_AbsteR Respawn needs to . . .1) Get rid of cheaters2) Get rid of smurfs3) Fix matchmaking4) Get higher tick rate serversNone of this other crap they keep shovelling us makes a difference until they do those things.

100% agree. 5) get rid of tap strafe, steam configs, etc. all the stupid movement that isn't part of the game's design. Look at COD6, they just added all kinds of movement and a tutorial about how to use it.

If you want apex to stay alive you need to do these things.

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SPARROWSFEETPlCS
Rising Rookie
2 hours ago
wow, someone who actually understands the problem...
c0ld1
New Scout
1 year ago
Yea, I don't even play any other character besides support. There's no point.
Wargasmatron
New Vanguard
1 year ago
@c0ld1 Not too mention, I think far too many players, especially in ranked, have either no idea or just don't care how to approach a fight.
So many want to be lone wolfs and push a fight they have no business being in, and die instantly....knowing that their team mates can
pick them up again relatively easily now, sometimes 3 or 4 times if your really lucky.
As a player who never plays with a set squad, I find more times then not that I am having to respawn team mates who push fights and die instantly.
Jumping into fights without having support is just selfish and proves the point....YOUR NOT AS GOOD AS YOU THINK YOU ARE, so have a seat lol.
Everyone being able to craft banners has IMO opened the door for players to play without thinking and rely on TM to respawn them.
You don't have to even think about the makeup of your squad anymore.
c0ld1
New Scout
1 year ago
I will say the current changes are pretty hard to follow. Loba is wayyyyy OP. Every game goes like this, drop, fight, one or two die, run craft respawn. Rinse repeat until the game is over. I've respawned people like 4 and 5 times a game. That is just nuts.
c0ld1
New Scout
1 year ago
@Palette24carats I'm not following your comment. I agree with what you're saying here....
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
1 year ago
@TheDarkWaver I agree Masters and up should be limited to Duo ranked, having 3 stacks of the best players playing 12 hours a day in lobbies with randoms and one friend for most people that work and try their best to grind is really really unfair, they get it so easy they don't even sweat.

Normal people don't play 12 hours a day like Preds and they usually have 1 good friend and 1 friend that is less skilled playing against the very best together in a team is like having Gretzky, Lemieux and Patrick Roy at their peak playing against junior players trying to learn. It really is unfair and the gap of skill makes it worst.
Palette24carats
Seasoned Ace
1 year ago
@c0ld1 Nah that is one of the stupidest thing we hear from brainless content creators, boycotting doesnt solve anything it only destroys further the best it can accomplish is kill the game for good. I don't get how anyone can come up to the conclusion that to have a game at your personal liking you should starve it. Really? That doesnt make any sense!

The game is good and devs know how to keep it good most whining is wrong. There are some things we want like tournaments and we will get it not by boycotting but by supporting the game until it happens and talking positively about it.
Wargasmatron
New Vanguard
1 year ago
There are a lot of things that could be done better to increase revenue. That's hard to do when players completely lose interest in a game
for various reasons. There have been so many changes to the game, and sometimes too much change is bad thing especially when we live in the
era of "instant gratification" where most people don't want to work hard to get anything.
A player plays a certain Legend, gets good at using it accordingly, with set squads mates even...and then they nerf or rewrite how that legend is going to
operate on the battlefield, and people lose their poop over it. It changes everything. Same goes for the weapons, drops, shields and on and on.
We all know how bad the hacking is, and frankly...after watching all these controller players play, and watch reticles gravitate towards the target with little effort and get huge
damage hits, is it any wonder why so many Pro's have openly voiced why they switched ? Its a no brainer. It just wouldn't have happened if the advantage was not so obvious.
I would prefer to have the option to NOT play with an aim assist controller player. Its a simple ask, but that will never happen.
I would spend money on the game, but we always seem to be waiting for the same dam things to be fixed that never happen. Just more wrenches thrown in to the mix.
Legends abilities being changed all the time, Weapon nerfs on some, but then another is made way OP. An example is how everyone now is flying around with Mastiff's
running and gunning when you would have never seen that before. So many ppl playing Gibby and Newcastle because of their OP buffs. When's the last time Bangalore ever got a buff
and why is it that people seem to see right thru the Bang smoke and are able to track you , from distance. Its ridiculous. Lifeline gets to fly??? and has a shield you can throw down that people can just lob grenades over the top and waste you all ? Its Gibbys shield with the top cut off....oh joy.
I dunno man, subtle change is ok, but wow, feeling the need to change so much at once is over the top. Whatever happened to having beta tester servers for that before implementing it??
Nope, now its like 'HEY, SURPRISE..we're gonna throw a big wrench into things, then sit back with popcorn and watch the mayhem ensue !
drevinum9
Not applicable
1 year ago
Judging by the playerbase and myself who put in a lot of effort for feedback when they turned a once great game, I would even say the best game, to whatever hellspawn they created now. My Apex Legends died in season 17. I no longer recognise whatever they call is Apex Legends. Judging by the amount of decline in players I would not be surprised if the game will be cut out of support soon because of the smaller earnings. Once that is cut down more than it has been more players will soon fade away too.
c0ld1
New Scout
1 year ago
You may be incorrect about EA caring about what's said here and the impact it has on their revenue. See below.
Electronic Arts annual net revenue by composition 2024 | Statista
Live services – new monetization streams
Live services are one of Electronic Arts' best-performing revenue segment, reporting a one percent year-on-year-growth compared to 2023. This is hardly surprising, as gaming companies aim for players to engage with their games and services over longer periods of time, and purchase additional content designed to provide value top layers and extend and enhance gameplay. EA’s most popular live service is the extra content purchased for the Ultimate Team mode associated with its sports franchises Madden NFL and FIFA. The company stated that FIFA 23, EA SPORTS FC 24, Apex Legends, EA SPORTS Madden NFL 24, and The Sims 4 were the top revenue drivers for 2024. However, in 2024, full-game downloads were the segment with the biggest revenue increase.