Just witnessed the most bot team win

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@reconzero wrote:
@WhoopFighter

"Players on controllers using shotguns rarely miss up close."

Not disagreeing with much of anything you said except the above. 25 year of aa on xbox and my weapons have NEVER snapped to a target or given me any kind of a sense of confidence going into a close-quarters engagement. My accuracy is what used to be considered average, but there are no average players left in the game anymore. As you noted. I just get frustrated when everyone attributes unbeatable players to aim assist. I have had aim assist forever and I can assure you, I'm very beatable. And given all the other ways these guys seem to be cheating, is it such a stretch to believe that their aim is being helped far in excess of anything built-in aa can do?

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I was the same way with a controller. Some people just have better hand mechanics for controller. That's one of the issues I have with it. You can find any mouse and keyboard to fit any sized hand correctly. Controllers in contrary only fit a certain percentage of hands well. You should try using a mouse honestly, you'll probably end up enjoying shooters a lot more. I could never go back and play shooters with a controller after switching.

When I die to someone one-clipping me, it's usually a controller player. You can watch how they rotate their character, it's smooth, there's no flicking back and forth to check blind spots. While I watch them, they just stick to targets, rotate perfectly with their opponent. So that's a problem for a multitude of reasons, it alleviates brain power, which allows them to focus more on their movement and positioning. Obviously it keeps them on target, they don't seem to be searching for a hit box, in contrast I'm crossing back and forth over my opponent searching for some hit reg. I've seen guys aim a couple feet to the side of their opponent and still get shots to register. So the hit box is there, but as a mouse player, I'm looking at the character, not their hit box. Then you have all the visual clutter on top of that, which effects a mouse user far more than a controller player.

The only solution is to separate lobbies. It's not fair, but that's the best we can do with the mentalities that have formed around aim assist given to only some, and that is somehow even?!

I've seen some people with near MnK movement on a controller, so why should they get aim assist then? If they can do anything I can on a mouse, what's the point? Anyone that's even slightly above average with a controller has the capability of one clipping a player easily. That's not easy with a mouse. There's so much prediction, no one stands still for even a millisecond in this game, 20 tick server, lag comp, stuttering, all adds up to a lot of mental stress to stay on target. I think it gets grossly underestimated how much brain power it takes for a mouse player to stay on target. People literally practice in aim trainers for days to get proficient at aiming! What controller players are doing that?

I'm sorry that you're maybe having a rough time. If I remember correctly, you're on console? If there's anyway you can try using a mouse, I highly encourage you to do so. Not just for Apex, for any shooter. It gives a more connected feeling while playing. If you don't have the thumbs to be pro with a controller, which most of us don't, using a mouse will make you a much better player. I struggled for years, grew up on console, then switched in my twenties, and I became the player to beat amongst my friends.