@Mwalker85 wrote:People clearly using keyboard and mouse on consol (xbox). There is a defeat device currently for xbox to trick the system to believe they are playing with controller. these people can't cut it in the PC world,so they decide to come over and play against controllers... It's cheating and I have countless videos of people clearly using keyboard and mouse. It is slowly ruining the game on consol. Clearly they people are garbage against there own peers (PC) whats the reason they are coming over to play on consol?
First let’s correct a couple of your mistakes. 1. Players don’t use the Xim to “trick the system”. They use it to make sure that all movements go thru the controller, which means that only movements the controller can create are allowed. This is why it is NOT a violation of any console TOS (TERMS OF SERVICE). It’s no different then a steering wheel being used for driving games. Now the controls are more precise and more enjoyable to play with. Don’t blame people for wanting better control then wonky thumb sticks.2. It’s not cheating, see comment about TOS above.
3. It’s not “slowly ruining the game”. The original XIM (Xbox Input Machine) came out over 10 years ago for the original Xbox. Newer version were developed since that worked with the Xbox, Xbox 360, and then added support for Playstations 2 and above.
4. Players that use them aren’t “garbage against there peer (PC). They do it for mainly different reason. 1. Better control, 2. More friends have consoles vs PC’s to play with. 3. It’s simply more fun. 4. Read these forums about the hacks and cheats available on PC and they don’t want to deal with that anymore. 5. Some players have handicaps then doesn’t allow them to use standard controllers. 6. Many other reasons.
5. Both Sony (Playstation) and Microsoft (Xbox) have enable keyboard and mouse support with their console systems. Now it’s simply up to the game developers to enable native support (meaning you can just plug a mouse and keyboard into your console to use them with their games.) If game developers would simply do that, that would eliminate the need for emulators. And then whatever input device you want to use is your choice just like steering wheels with games like Forza.
@LtHitlis okay let's correct a couple of YOUR mistakes....
1) the xim DOES trick your controller into thinking your USING a controller. Otherwise you would have not need to use an input adapter since both consoles support mk
2) it is cheating.
https://enforcement.xbox.com/en-US/home/staysafe#topic2
If you were to click on the link above you will notice there is a line about using unauthorized software...which is what the xim does. The software in the xim changes mk input to controller input
3)it is ruining the game because more and more people are having unfair experiences due to cheating xim users who need a mechanical advantage. This doesn't even touch on the fact that if xim weren't controlled console would lose sales due to players switching to pc. If I have to play against mk users anyway why not just a buy an equally price pc that performs twice as well when built specifically for gaming and would STILL offer me more versatility than console
4)maybe they're not garbage against their peers but they sure as * have a mechanical advantage over every single player they play against.
5) if the game doesn't support mk then it's because they didn't want it too. You don't get to just say "* it I'll bypass it with an adapter"....this is 2019. If they had wanted it to be mk functional on console than it would be. But console games are played with CONTROLLERS...and have been since 1972!
SIDE NOTE FOR YA...Microsoft recently helped fortnite to BLOCK adapter use
@HamoHitman wrote:@LtHitlis okay let's correct a couple of YOUR mistakes....
1) the xim DOES trick your controller into thinking your USING a controller. Otherwise you would have not need to use an input adapter since both consoles support mk
- The xim apex actually CAN do things your standard controller CANT do such as run scripts
- It's pretty evident from FORTNITE that the xim and like adapters DO trick the system based on the fact that you load into a CONTROLLER lobby when using a xim.
- If you attempt to play fortnite by loading up with a controller and then SWITCH to mk you will get NO response from your mk and " input blocked" will appear on you screen. Because it reads it as a mk. This is NOT the case with a xim because the console is tricked into believing the commands are being sent via controller where they are actually being sent through the controller
2) it is cheating.
https://enforcement.xbox.com/en-US/home/staysafe#topic2
If you were to click on the link above you will notice there is a line about using unauthorized software...which is what the xim does. The software in the xim changes mk input to controller input
3)it is ruining the game because more and more people are having unfair experiences due to cheating xim users who need a mechanical advantage. This doesn't even touch on the fact that if xim weren't controlled console would lose sales due to players switching to pc. If I have to play against mk users anyway why not just a buy an equally price pc that performs twice as well when built specifically for gaming and would STILL offer me more versatility than console
4)maybe they're not garbage against their peers but they sure as * have a mechanical advantage over every single player they play against.
5) if the game doesn't support mk then it's because they didn't want it too. You don't get to just say "* it I'll bypass it with an adapter"....this is 2019. If they had wanted it to be mk functional on console than it would be. But console games are played with CONTROLLERS...and have been since 1972!
SIDE NOTE FOR YA...Microsoft recently helped fortnite to BLOCK adapter use
Ive seen a lot of Anti Xim posts over the last 10 years and congratulations you win the most incorrect post of them all. I truly don’t know where to begin. I understand you don’t like mouse and keyboard playing on console. But, that is not a reason to put out wrong information. So let’s begin.
1. The Xim does not “trick” anything. Understand the setup. A keyboard and mouse plug into the Xim thru a 3 port USB hub. The 3rd slot is connecting a Xbox controller thru it’s micro USB cable. So basically the movement created from the mouse and keyboard are sent thru the controller. Which to make a long explanation short is done on purpose to make sure the actual movements sent to the Xbox is thru the controller. This is where “the haters” say it “tricks” the console. What it’s actually doing is making sure that only movement limits that the controller can create is actually transferred to the console. Sure a m/k sensitivity can be set extremely high but once it hits the controller limits the Xim itself will actually flash to show the user that he has reached the movement caps of the controller.
2. Understand the simple thing that the turn speeds, movement speed, whether it’s hip, or ADS (Aiming Down Scope) is set by the individual game developers. NO device (Xim, Keymander,.....) no controller (Standard, Elite) can bypass the games programmed turn speeds. So understand that using a keyboard and mouse does NOT make you turn faster! It simply makes it easier to controller at the higher in game sensitivity settings.
3. These reasons are why it is not a violation of any TOS (Terms Of Service) of Microsoft. Understand there are a lot of controllers, devices, hardware that is NOT made by Microsoft that works on an Xbox. From standard controllers to steering wheel controllers for driving games, to headphones. Saying a third party produced device like the Xim that works with xbox is a violation of the TOS is no different then saying a pair of Turtlebeach headphones that works with Xbox is a violation of the TOS policy.
4. I can only speak for the Xim products on this topic since it’s the only one I’ve used. The Xim has software that you use via any smart device or PC. Via the software you set your keyboard and mouse buttons to match whatever ones you want them to control on the actual controller (X,Y,A,B....). It also allows you to adjust the mouse movement sensitivity (NOT the in game sensitivity.) IT DOES NOT ALLOW creating any combination of buttons to the push of a single button, other wise known as a script. Xim manufactures have explained that would be a simple programmable feature, but, since that would be a violation of the TOS they will not allow it on the Xim.
5. The only thing I saw in your post that was correct was when you said “this is 2019”. Technology advances thank god. Or we would still be using an 8 directional Atari controller. Microsoft enable Mouse and Keyboard support for the Xbox One in their November update. Now understand this, it is up to the individual game developers to include “Native” support for their individual games. So far those that are already including it are: Fortnite, Bomber Crew, Deep Rock Galactic, Minecraft, Strange Brigade, Warframe, Vermintide 2, War Thunder, and X-Morph Defense. So, you saying “console games are played with CONTROLLERS” is simply an outdated and incorrect statement.
6. Mic drop!
@HamoHitman wrote:@LtHitlis okay let's correct a couple of YOUR mistakes....
1) the xim DOES trick your controller into thinking your USING a controller. Otherwise you would have not need to use an input adapter since both consoles support mk
- The xim apex actually CAN do things your standard controller CANT do such as run scripts
- It's pretty evident from FORTNITE that the xim and like adapters DO trick the system based on the fact that you load into a CONTROLLER lobby when using a xim.
- If you attempt to play fortnite by loading up with a controller and then SWITCH to mk you will get NO response from your mk and " input blocked" will appear on you screen. Because it reads it as a mk. This is NOT the case with a xim because the console is tricked into believing the commands are being sent via controller where they are actually being sent through the controller
2) it is cheating.
https://enforcement.xbox.com/en-US/home/staysafe#topic2
If you were to click on the link above you will notice there is a line about using unauthorized software...which is what the xim does. The software in the xim changes mk input to controller input
3)it is ruining the game because more and more people are having unfair experiences due to cheating xim users who need a mechanical advantage. This doesn't even touch on the fact that if xim weren't controlled console would lose sales due to players switching to pc. If I have to play against mk users anyway why not just a buy an equally price pc that performs twice as well when built specifically for gaming and would STILL offer me more versatility than console
4)maybe they're not garbage against their peers but they sure as * have a mechanical advantage over every single player they play against.
5) if the game doesn't support mk then it's because they didn't want it too. You don't get to just say "* it I'll bypass it with an adapter"....this is 2019. If they had wanted it to be mk functional on console than it would be. But console games are played with CONTROLLERS...and have been since 1972!
SIDE NOTE FOR YA...Microsoft recently helped fortnite to BLOCK adapter use
it's rather incredible how wrong you are about every single thing you posted the article you link is a click bait tittle that isn't the truth. I'm really impressed with how incorrect this entire post is
I'm a gamepad user on xbox and would prefer to play only against other gamepad users. No comment on the character or motives of either but let M&K and XIM users play against each other. How about that Respawn, is it possible?
@conman409 wrote:I'm a gamepad user on xbox and would prefer to play only against other gamepad users. No comment on the character or motives of either but let M&K and XIM users play against each other. How about that Respawn, is it possible?
it is not, you you'd have to block ALL third party devices. There goes all your Razr, Madkats, Turtle Beach, Skuff, and every other off brand device.
Truth is the frequency of use of these the devices are less than 1% of the population. I know it's hard to believe but some use them due to various disabilities. From a financial standpoint it's not worth the time and money to prevent this.
This was only a hot topic on the pugb forums and nothing was done because it's not as rampant as people think. It is however a perfect excuse to why you're underperforming in a game.
There's active streamers that use this device, in game movement, aim, and everything else is still governed by the game mechanics.
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