Low profile nerf is too much

@MrMuted Players of higher level skill likely aim for the neck area. Even the average player focuses his aim around the center of the body or chest. Jumping around might increase the number of limb shots you receive but the increase in damage is so minor its almost nothing especially on a character with no legs like Pathfinder.

I can understand if you hate Low Profile but its hilarious if you think this recent nerf affected the characters very much. Especially Pathfinder.

Go play Gibby then. Go on. Its your choice.

Gibby is not OP, because his hitbox is insanely huge and you can`t miss a shot on him.

Who are you trying to lie with the b.c. that hitboxes doesn`t matter? Everyone with a brain know smaller target = harder to hit and vice versa.

And as i mention, the character with small hitbox aka Wraith, Path, Lifeline and Wattson rotate like mad, because of their animation, no one come close to this, and even if your aim is top notch, you are still going to miss way more shots because of this.

And don`t make a fun jokes with the Bloodhound, as no at high to top to pro level ever dare to pick him.
I just gve a stats, from the very last tournament, which was after the nerfs, and Wraith and Pathfinder was picked by every single team, so don`t tell me jokes about how they are unplayable or bad or whatever the ****** you trying to do.

Wattson and Gibby was the other 2 legends that were picked. Wattson still dominates Gibby tho.

Thats speak for itself.

Wraith doesn`t need a buff. She is top 2 character, and she was top 1 character from season 1. Even if they send her in oblivion, you don`t have the right to complain, because she was broken from day 1, and then she move to OP, and now she move to top 2 character, while character liker Octane and Mirage was always on the bottom.

If we going to take Bloodhound as a balance character, then Wraith need to be nerfed to his level, which means a lot more nerfs is coming to her.

Bangalore is what a balance character looks like, and she is still useless compare to Wraith, and no one will ever pick her over Wraith, cause Wraith just do what she does, but way better.

Pathfinder has a lot more, than his mobility, a broken and small hitbox, tiny as**** body, he can scan the next safe zone location, which at higher level is a great +, he can go on a place no one ever dream going, 

And yes his graple is way OP, and should not allow you to run multiple times from 1 fight, as it of know.

His time will come and he will not escape the nerf that is coming to him. His ability is too OP, can be abused and can literally escape any danger, heal and come back, without a blink. Only he and the Wraith has such abilities. 

DreamStare07, now on to you, at the time season 4 started, his hitbox wasn`t fixed, its still broken, and its still OP, and one of the reason so many people are picking him.

Let me also state something for you obviously a Wraith and Pathfinder guys, that are trying too hard, making this legends weak.

At no place and no one have ever said that this legends should be top 2 from the very beginning till the very end of this game.

So the way i see it, as overall balance goes on, Pathfinder needs a nerf, Wraith is okay where it is, and its a time for the other legends to actually have a light time in this game, legends like Gibby(he is in a very good spot right now), Octane, Mirage, Bangalore, and so on.

The more nerfing to the Wraith was a joke, as it should be clear. She is strong, but fair now, as she wasn`t before.

I`m okay with tiers, but lets said a good tier system, should be like that:

You may have S,A,B,C,D tiers legends, but they all should be viable, and the top one should not be OP or broken, as Wraith was before.

If we going by the above tier, Wraith is still an S tier character, but she ain`t broken anymore.

Pathfinder is still a S tier character. If his grapple is nerfed as i think it should, because the CD is just ridiculous low right now, he still be a S tier character, but would be more fair compare to the rest of the legends.

Right now this is my tier list:

S tier: Wraith, Pathfinder, Gibby

A tier: Wattson, Lifeline

B tier: Caustic

C tier: Bangalore, Bloodhound, Crypto

D tier: Octane, Mirage

Right now can`t really said where Revenant is atm. We have to look and see how he is doing with the buffs he get.

Lets forget for a moment the competitive scene, where every single team pick Wraith and Pathfinder, and the rest is filled with Gibby and Wattson, and in very rare scene someone pick a Caustic.

Lets said high to top level gameplay.

Right now players are using Wraith, Pathfinder, Lifeline, Gibby and Wattson, and still you rarely see Caustic.

Octane and Mirage is not viable atm at high to top to pro level of gameplay. High to top Bloodhound and Bangalore is kinda not viable too. Crypto  to be fair is kinda a specific choice for certain gameplay. But not much viable to be fair.

So we got a two legends, that are top 2 from the beginning and a bunch of legends that are obviously not viable at any level. Yeah you can make a lot of noise with Octane, Mirage, Bangalore, Bloodhound and so on, but you have to be higher skill level compare to your opposition, and tiers don`t work that way.

The skill set should be either close or similar.

There is no reason to pick Bangalore over Wraith for example, as well as Bloodhound instead of Path.

If lets said they want this is to be the max level for abilities and legends to have impact and not make them more powerful(as it should not)

I would said Octane needs his ult reworked and be throw in the mix below S tiers. Mirage needs a complete rework for all of his ability and end up like a brand new legends, and needs to land around A tier.

I think while they are not the top dogs, Caustic can be useful for certain situation. Don`t play Crypto and can`t say what he really needs, but he is a specific characters, and for exmaple i don`t like to play such characters, everyone is different tho.

Bangalore and Bloodhounds are average and it should stay the same. Their abilities are balanced atm, maybe hit Bloodhound big head hitbox.

Wattson and Lifeline are okay where are atm. Lifeline was a top pick for a long time, and she is still a solid legends, so i think she is okay where she is atm.

As far as a S tiers i already said what i think. Gibby ends up in there after a lot of buffs and should stay there, cause he totally suck for so long of the game span.

I don`t have problem with the pick rate of Wraith and Pathfinder. As i said Path tactical is just too good atm and he doesn`t need that to be fair. Make it 20 to 25 seconds. Would still be strong to very strong with level 4 helmet.

Right now you either have to kill him instantly or he will just straight up disappear, comeback in a no time and do the same, because of the low cd. 

DreamStare07, wanna check that out ING? Right now i have a problem with Origin, but we can settle this in CS:GO and see who "suck" and who aint. It will show the level of your and my aim, you up for it, or just talk big ?

The moment you start flaming at someone is the moment you give up and show that you don`t have arguments for the fight.

Flaming each other isn't productive to this discussion folks.

However neither is this constant circle of regurgitated facts being reposted every other response.

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@Axs5626Sxa5001 wrote:
@LordloshBang

I appreciate your responses.

I’m still curious though— if you could, right now, nerf Path and Wraith even further, would you? And what would those nerfs be exactly?


This is a good question,  and to those of you unhappy with the current low profile nerf how would you replace it whilst still maintaining legend balance?

 

 

Lets keep this productive. :D