Match Making
Do you know what happens when after 45 mins I don't get a single kill and eveyrone never misses and I'm just smoked game after game after game.... I play something else. Please fix your match making...
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@HappyHourSumwurIt's just so inconsistent. You can log on and have a great 2 hour session. You feel like you are in most conflicts, sometimes you get wiped due to bad decision making and sometimes you have a bit of luck your way and win the scrap. You'll have another one the next day and it's totally different where if anyone sees you you are instantly dead. Over and over. I just don't get the inconsistency. That's what does my head in.
We tried again last night, I don't think we made it past 25 mins and we just had enough. I'm just tired of being a free K/D pill for others. I've always suspected the people who flex their amazing K/D's is largely because they are going up against inferior players. Not really the flex they think it is.
I do empathise with EA. Match making is an incredibly difficult and complex task with different types of people on at different times of the day, wanting to ensure it's fast enough so you dont't sit at the match making screen and constantly trying to outwit the toxic part of the community that will do everything they can to rig the system in their favour (so they cant' release a granular level of detail as to what is going on as that would aid them). It's a very hard problem to fix, I get that.
Ranked s20. I noticed a huge difference between lobbies inside same rank.
It seems like they have 2 modes inside ranked games also unranked duos and trios, which are switching based on how well you do. If you are kicking it, it will not be long before you will be moved to sweaty lobbies. There, it is a struggle to get even a kill, because opponents are insanely skilled, possibly cheaters. Based on what i've seen, atm in these lobbies, everyone feels levels above me, Gold now is more difficult than your average Pred. stream opponents on twitch/yt. Streamer pred games look like an easy joke.
How is this even possible?
I'm beginning to think well known pred streamers have some hidden easy mode, where majority of opponens are clueless, so landing 20kills and 4k dmg is a piece of cake for them, which would also be good for viewers not leaving their streams.
I always ranted about how clueless opponents are in those pred lobbies, while your average gold servers here in EU, has so many movement gods, it just looks same or more difficult than pro matches or tournaments with the best teams.
Care to elaborate why this happens, and why such a difference between these ''normal' and 'superskill/cheater' lobbies inside LOW Level ranks? This should not happen.
Just tried again this evening with my wife. I think we playd 7 or 8 games... had one reasonable one. The last one the champion had 50,000 kills, 20 kill bomb badge... just quit before we landed. I'm done for today. I honestly have no idea how they could be in my lobby. That should be a hard limit. Ridiculous. Zero reason to play that one.
I'd rather just not have a match or a game start than have to put up with that. End result (today), 2 fewer people playing.
I am so tired of this sort of thing happening. It should *never* happen, not a mis-match like that.
I firmly believe that objective matchmaking is possible, as long as it is truly and only based on the statistics of each individual player. Even with cheaters, good rounds should be possible for everyone.
But since the cheaters and pro players don't just seem to play among themselves, but also poach at lower skill levels, something must be interfering with "objective" matchmaking.
However, I am also firmly convinced that after 20 seasons (!) the algorithm for matchmaking should actually be perfect IF all disruptive factors were removed. And here is the problem. I think the disruptive factors are there for a reason. And suddenly it's no longer possible for the developers to ensure proper matchmaking? Despite or because of the disruptive factors?
!!!Attention, pure speculation from here on!!!
There is supposed to be a patent on the fact that buyers of skins get an easier lobby to give them a better buying experience.
Since I have no proof of this, I will not claim that this "disruptive factor" is active in Apex. But, if such patents already exist, one can imagine that various curious mechanisms can prevent objective matchmaking.
!!!End of speculation!!!- @saurerDropsXXL I refuse to buy into the conspiracy theory angle. I can't see any reason why they would do that intentionally. I used to play FIFA alot and there are tons of conspiracy theories around that as well. I genuinely believe they try to give us the best experience they can but it's a hard problem. I feel like something has been tweaked in the last week or two and it's broken again.
It’s hard to play this game nowadays with all the rampant cheating when they have zero recoil they don’t miss a shot and the controller mod is so cheap. Everybody’s buying it when you hear him on single fire sound like a machine gun. It’s obviously noticeable that they have a rapper fire controller with zero recoil, I’ve taken a hiatus on this. I used to love playing this game and like everybody else I would win some and lose some but now it’s gotten so slimy.
- @Nolege_is_power The issue with pred/streamer 20 kill high damage games you see on YouTube is that it is misleading. You don't see the 6 to 8 hours of game time it took for them to get that one game. You don't see all the drop and die or drop, win the first couple fights and then die. The reality is that 20 bomb high damage game on YouTube usually comes after some really bad games when the MM puts them in a slightly lower lobby and circumstances play out just right(good drop loot, no 3rd party death, people spread out just enough to keep killing).
Constantly matched with level 9 and under players.
No one on my team can kill anyone. Its pointless playing. The game is now essentially 1 v 3 every fight. This is really tiresome.
I’ve studied matchmaking in Apex across many types of accounts, for like 4 years. I’ve shared various experiments and experiences here on the forum.
Right now, utilizing 4 different accounts (each with different stat outcomes, from super low skill to super high skill) I feel like I have a (small) understanding of how matchmaking works (FOR PUBS)
Performance = Kills +Damage + Placement
Respawn still uses a “bucket” system. They still lump players into skill buckets depending on their performances. But it’s not just performances that dictate what bucket you land in— how much “data” you have on your account will impact how fast or slow the game shifts you from one bucket to another.
Doing really well (combination of kills, damage, and placement) increases your hidden MMR metric and that lumps you into a higher bucket. Going up and down the ladder of buckets happens at different paces for accounts with different data. My lower data account gets dropped into easier lobbies much faster (like after 10 straight losses with 0 damage) than my higher data account (which can take between 20-30 0 damage games)
Lower buckets are EASY to identify. Your teammates and the other 57 players in the lobby are players with little data on their account AND OR players who have performed very very poorly. It’s important to note that not playing for a long time will also drop you into these lobbies.
Higher bucket lobbies are typically all 4k 20 bomb type players. Seriously. Solo queuing typically takes noticeable longer to find a match, because the lobby is typically comprised of the top 4 or 5% of players. Even my teammates in these lobbies are more often Masters or Preds.
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