Hey there,
I've been having the same issues and even made a huge post about it. I'm not sure how many discussion posts like this need to come up for Respawn to do a better job with their research and call to action.
I'm glad I got to access your attachments before some non-EA respresentative and/or moderator will get to you about not uploading names as you may be "shaming" them. I can't stand these forums sometimes when all we are trying to do is prove a point.
I saw your ranked K/D and it's super painful especially in that rank. While SBMM and Smurfing are two completely different issues, I know that most of the cause within those ranks are those who have High K/D Smurf accounts stacking and boosting their mates or just the unfortunate Queue with Diamonds, Masters, Preds knowing that it's farm day for them. You'll have the occasional high ranked players who are just "crawling out of low rank levels" and get where they belong, but it seems like high skilled players continue to linger in low rank tiers.
At this point, what's the point of ranked right?
Either way, something needs to be fixed and Respawn needs to stop filling their pockets with money and care about the communities concerns. There's 100 million active players in this game, you would think that it's enough for Respawn to know how to hash out low and high experienced players.
@kittysuneI'm not American. But if they claim this is not in use on Apex, and it turns out that it is... can't I sue them for something? Like 350 million dollars for emotional distress brought on by their falsely advertised sbmm?
SBMM is and will always be a Joke in this game..
my kdr is 5 times yours and im mostly stuck with players of your skill level...
end of the match top 3 place with me @ 9+ kills 2850 dmg (i don't grief) so yea could be 4k if needed.
my team some assist and maybe one or both have a kill with about 300 dmg...
having to ress my team all the time and mostly they don't have a clue on whats going on.
this sux for you but trust me it is as frustrating for you as it is for the higher rank players..
only solution go play a premade team yall practice together and GITGUD.
Hello @B3ntar
It's beyond who's better than who. "Better" players or players with "5 times their KDR" should know to mentor less skilled players especially when you know they are 5 steps lower than your skill level. After all, it's a team based game regardless if preference is to have a pre-made squad or not.
I've been in squads plenty of times where a Master player (Specifically Master players) would die first because it's in their head that they are better and want to 1v59 the entire lobby. Even worse, they don't say anything until they die, and when they die, they call us trash but we're alive and doing work. They literally leave the team and do things on their own rather than LEAD. If Master players and Preds have to bear the unfortunate queue with noobs, they should lead them to victory because they have the experience right? and also...because it's a team based game. Not sure if I mentioned that. But I guess it's not their business and blaming due to SBMM is much much better.
That's a scenario right? So in general SBMM as a whole still needs to have rework to further mitigate issues of the whole lobby being saturated with one too many High skilled players, or low skilled players in high skilled lobbies for farming/boosting purposes. People have to learn this game. It's unfair to call out or shame a less experienced player...they clearly have to learn and it takes time.
Maybe it's bragging rights, that's fine, but others still need to learn. How dope would it be if since you're just better, you can teach them a thing or two. You would then alleviate some growing pains because now they are encouraged to learn and one day they will be in your shoes. I've had preds in my team and for the most part they are pretty chill and taught me a few things. Because they've had so much time and passing knowledge on to less skilled players provide a much greater benefit and experience rather than calling them trash. High skilled players were trash at one point too. It's what motivated me and eventually got me to diamond. I still have much to learn if I choose to push higher.
I do have my speculations. While Respawn claims that they aren't using EOMM as it is strictly a design enforced by EA proper, I have my speculations.
-Have you ever noticed when you answer the "Match quality survey" and say "No" like 99% percent of us do, we lowkey get queued in 'fair' lobbies? Hardly any diamond trails and such. If you think about it, why else would we get asked that multiple times on a singular account? Surveys to one person shouldn't be asked that same question. That research data would be void. That particular survey in my opinion is an engagement queue/tool so that people can continue to play the game. If you say no, lobbies aren't as sweaty. If you say yes, well genuinely, that person will stay in and Respawn can say, "Phew, we did it, boys. They aren't leaving or quitting the game" More money in their pockets.
-Have you ever noticed when we get a dub, the next match is significantly harder?
-Have you ever noticed that if we lose matches a few times in a row, we would get queued in to "easier" lobbies?
These points are clear indicators of what EOMM is and I would say that you're not wrong.
I think that Respawn is using a combination of both "SBMM" and "EOMM" because the formula here isn't to validate the expectations of player satisfaction and experience but player retention. It's probably why SBMM as a whole, in Apex's case is just not optimized because that's the balance that "they are continuously trying to fix"
No gaming company would ever want to lose their player base because it is...money related. It's probably why Respawn doesn't want to disclose their secret "SBMM" formula...because it probably and most likely involves EOMM.
There's articles regarding EA, the EOMM formula and how it works. What makes Respawns formula so special that it can't be disclosed? It's nefarious, I tell you.
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