Matchmaking thoughts from a Dev
https://youtu.be/6i5642d4DNo The above link details a long standing CoD dev’s thoughts on “SBMM” in non-ranked modes. Please watch. His highlighted point is that “VARIANCE” is the most favorabl...
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@Axs5626Sxa5001
I got as far through that as I could before it made me want to put my fist through my screen.
The idea that non-ranked gameplay should be a feeding ground for high-level players, and that it's completely okay because there are no ranks at stake, is the single most offensive thing I've ever heard on the subject of sbmm. It's exactly the thing that high-level players say when they're tired of slogging it out with other high-level players and start feeling put upon, as if they have some intrinsic right to crap all over lower-level players for no other reason than because it would be more fun for them.
And I'm also tired to death of the very mistaken idea that ranked gameplay is reward driven and unranked gameplay is "casual," "non-competitive," "insert your own rationalization here for why it's okay to pit what amounts to professional athletes against kids." Rankings are a head game that do not REWARD players, they DESCRIBE their abilities. Players very mistakenly think of it as reward-based, and hence my description of it as a head game. The only reward in any game, imo, is a win. And last I checked this game offers wins in both ranked and unranked gameplay. Taking a win away from a guy who just started the game and has twenty matches in two weeks, so that some sweaty diamond grinder can feel better about himself is pitiable.
Virtually every competitive sport I can think of has gameplay broken into peer groups, grouped either by age or by skill. Little Leaguers very seldom, unless I've missed some new development, play against the Red Sox. And with reason. That kind of pummeling doesn't make the kids into better players, and it absolutely shouldn't make the pros feel all tough and manly. If it does then those people should be medicated. And barred from the sport.
Sorry about the rant but I've been pissed off about this since Halo 2, and it depresses me to have to keep defending something that seems so obvious. If you can explain it to me in a different way than Mr. Former Infinity Ward I promise to read every word.
I got as far through that as I could before it made me want to put my fist through my screen.
The idea that non-ranked gameplay should be a feeding ground for high-level players, and that it's completely okay because there are no ranks at stake, is the single most offensive thing I've ever heard on the subject of sbmm. It's exactly the thing that high-level players say when they're tired of slogging it out with other high-level players and start feeling put upon, as if they have some intrinsic right to crap all over lower-level players for no other reason than because it would be more fun for them.
And I'm also tired to death of the very mistaken idea that ranked gameplay is reward driven and unranked gameplay is "casual," "non-competitive," "insert your own rationalization here for why it's okay to pit what amounts to professional athletes against kids." Rankings are a head game that do not REWARD players, they DESCRIBE their abilities. Players very mistakenly think of it as reward-based, and hence my description of it as a head game. The only reward in any game, imo, is a win. And last I checked this game offers wins in both ranked and unranked gameplay. Taking a win away from a guy who just started the game and has twenty matches in two weeks, so that some sweaty diamond grinder can feel better about himself is pitiable.
Virtually every competitive sport I can think of has gameplay broken into peer groups, grouped either by age or by skill. Little Leaguers very seldom, unless I've missed some new development, play against the Red Sox. And with reason. That kind of pummeling doesn't make the kids into better players, and it absolutely shouldn't make the pros feel all tough and manly. If it does then those people should be medicated. And barred from the sport.
Sorry about the rant but I've been pissed off about this since Halo 2, and it depresses me to have to keep defending something that seems so obvious. If you can explain it to me in a different way than Mr. Former Infinity Ward I promise to read every word.
@reconzero YES! Exactly, thank you! I made this post earlier which blends nicely with your words -
Ask yourselves this - Guys like Shiv, Tim, shroud, snipedown etc... if these guys had to play only the best players in the world masters and preds every single match, 59 other players equal to them or better - match after match, the sweatiest of the sweat hour after hour day after day without anything other than their self nemesis or better - how long do you think they would play for? How long before they move on to something else?
Or - lets say take the top players in the world and, lets just say, players that are even leagues above that skill level (I know I know, that level doesn't exist) but lets just say there was a level 8 times higher than that of these professional Apex elites. Again, how long do you think those guys above mentioned would continue to play for, before they rage quit, lash out in sheer frustration, complain to the Devs and throw in the towel?
I feel it would be safe to say, it wouldn't take long for them to quit and move on.
Essentially, that is exactly what the average player experiences with Apex, and even more so, any new player wishing to try or play the game. Like an child in Pee Pee Hockey having to compete against NHL level adult players. Ones that don't player any different because their opponents are 11 years old, hit just as hard and don't hold back. How long before that child says to his parents "Im not having any fun and don't wanna play hockey anymore." OR - A boxer in Light flyweight division going up every match against heavy weight boxers 240 pounds while he sits in at 108 lbs. Wouldn't take long for the flyweight boxer to quit boxing.
This is literally what Respawn has done with Apex MM.
Just one of the reasons SBMM is needed. Just not the trash one Apex uses.
Ask yourselves this - Guys like Shiv, Tim, shroud, snipedown etc... if these guys had to play only the best players in the world masters and preds every single match, 59 other players equal to them or better - match after match, the sweatiest of the sweat hour after hour day after day without anything other than their self nemesis or better - how long do you think they would play for? How long before they move on to something else?
Or - lets say take the top players in the world and, lets just say, players that are even leagues above that skill level (I know I know, that level doesn't exist) but lets just say there was a level 8 times higher than that of these professional Apex elites. Again, how long do you think those guys above mentioned would continue to play for, before they rage quit, lash out in sheer frustration, complain to the Devs and throw in the towel?
I feel it would be safe to say, it wouldn't take long for them to quit and move on.
Essentially, that is exactly what the average player experiences with Apex, and even more so, any new player wishing to try or play the game. Like an child in Pee Pee Hockey having to compete against NHL level adult players. Ones that don't player any different because their opponents are 11 years old, hit just as hard and don't hold back. How long before that child says to his parents "Im not having any fun and don't wanna play hockey anymore." OR - A boxer in Light flyweight division going up every match against heavy weight boxers 240 pounds while he sits in at 108 lbs. Wouldn't take long for the flyweight boxer to quit boxing.
This is literally what Respawn has done with Apex MM.
Just one of the reasons SBMM is needed. Just not the trash one Apex uses.
- @NickBeam27
Loved the post, but especially "Pee Pee Hockey!" Wish they'd had that when I was a kid....Same here, they did when my kids were little, just couldn't afford it. 3 kids playing hockey would have bankrupted me lol.
SBMM works fine.....match I'm currently ratting in rank because I have to.
Me Gibby Plat 2 lvl 654, 1012 kills
My teammates that died off drop in seconds..... literally
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