Noobs Noobs Noobs
In this game, I was in a duo with my friend. We don't mind having noobs as our third since we're just doing our daily challenges (hence the Mirage and Fuse) and hop on back to Overwatch. Our third do...
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@Cheese9Man
I think there's more at play here, though fast matchmaking is obviously a priority.. It's become very obvious to me that the matchmaker currently deliberately pairs a decent or half-decent player with team mates far below them. When I solo q, somehow I am that "carry" player, which blows my mind. I am very seldom given team mates at my level. And I am a sub-1 kdr player overall.
Careful records kept from the first split of last season separated out my solo q games from my games queued with other friends. Over the course of around 150 games, my KDR in those matches was 2.2, while my random team mates combined for an average of .39!! That's quite a discrepancy,and particularly noticeable to a player like myself, who can easily tell I am below average based on my performance in group matchmaking. I am almost never given very strong team mates to carry me. I actually cannot remember the last time this happened, it must have been several seasons ago. My better experiences, including my few wins, come from being given team mates who are similar in skill to me, and even that is pretty darned rare.
As a below average player, somehow my matchmaking experience is the same as that reported by those who are much better than I am. I don't even know what to conclude from this, except that the game's matchmaking clearly has something wrong with it. I don't even like to solo queue, but I'm forced to do it in order to pad my stats enough to not quit the game out of sheer discouragement. It's the only way I can see that I have improved as a player, and am not just the absolute worst. Well, I guess that I can conclude that, in solo q, I occupy some sort of mid-tier MM, in which I am among the higher percentage. And that group matchmaking is so brutal that, regardless of whether I queue as a duo with my high-skilled friend or as a trio with my two other mid-tier friends, I am given opponents who are far above my pay grade.
@pandareno1999
First, EVERY ONE WHO'S POSTED HERE got a thumbs up from me. 100% spot-on observations and comments. Nice to know it isn't just me.
I had a thought or two as I read your post, @pandareno1999. I'm pretty sure that we're exactly the same player. Reading your description of how you always seem to be the "carry" player when randomly matching... like looking in a mirror. But when I read your comparative kdrs, it made wonder if you're trying to play with your randoms in exactly the same way that you would play the match with good comms and people you know. I know that I've definitely developed very different attitudes toward the match depending on which kind of player I've been paired with, and being adaptable like that has yielded a fairly stable k/d and win rate, both fairly high, although both very heavily "currated." Anyway, it's a thing I wonder about a lot... whether people go into every single match with the exact same mindset and strategy, or whether there are factors that will cause them to change their routine. I'd be curious to know which of those players you are.
First, EVERY ONE WHO'S POSTED HERE got a thumbs up from me. 100% spot-on observations and comments. Nice to know it isn't just me.
I had a thought or two as I read your post, @pandareno1999. I'm pretty sure that we're exactly the same player. Reading your description of how you always seem to be the "carry" player when randomly matching... like looking in a mirror. But when I read your comparative kdrs, it made wonder if you're trying to play with your randoms in exactly the same way that you would play the match with good comms and people you know. I know that I've definitely developed very different attitudes toward the match depending on which kind of player I've been paired with, and being adaptable like that has yielded a fairly stable k/d and win rate, both fairly high, although both very heavily "currated." Anyway, it's a thing I wonder about a lot... whether people go into every single match with the exact same mindset and strategy, or whether there are factors that will cause them to change their routine. I'd be curious to know which of those players you are.
@reconzero I think you might have misread my post a bit. My KDR when solo queuing is MUCH higher than when I play with either one or two friends queued together. It's because I am put in lobbies that better reflect my skill level. I don't think very much about how my randoms care to play, except that since I am not high skilled, I do have to wait until slower playing team mates catch up before pushing a team. Sometimes I have to rotate differently than I would prefer. And that's honestly about all the allowance I make for them, besides trying to to help them out as I can, whether that be in a fight or their looting needs, because I do consider myself a team player. If they are making terrible decisions, such as fighting at a big disadvantage or without regard for zone, or if they are bad team mates, then I am on my own.
I find that most randoms in my pubs, regardless of their skill level, are generally looking to play about the same way - find enemies, try to create an advantage, and push them. Rotate to zone and repeat. I'm not terribly concerned about winning games TBH, just looking to take intelligent fights and keep improving in the areas where my skills are lacking.
From reading your posts, I think that we play quite differently from each other. While i am not generally a hot drop Harry, I actively look for, and take, fights throughout a match. For me, a 3-4 kill game, coming in 3rd or whatever, is a complete success, and any game where I come out with a 1+ kdr is good enough for me. I understand and respect your concept of playing more for the win, but it doesn't concern me that much. That said, I have only played one solo queue match this season, just this last week, and it was in fact a win as kill leader, with all of us contributing about equally. Batting 1000 so far, lol!Good luck out there, friend!
- @pandareno1999
I see what you mean. No, definitely not the same player, although similar in some respects. I am curious though: "I understand and respect your concept of playing more for the win, but it doesn't concern me that much." Does this mean that in a multi-team game the win is too hard to get so you don't think about it? Too unlikely to come so you don't think about it? Too unlikely to come with random teammates and bad sbmm? Or just too many years of arena shooters where kills were a higher priority because they literally = winning? What's the thought process on not playing for the big goal?@reconzero I'm not ignoring your message. But it proved to give me food enough for thought that I don't yet have a clear, thoughtful answer to give you. In simple terms, I'm playing for self improvement so that I may become a better player, rather than trying to rack up wins. I like the buzz of winning games as much as the next guy, but getting better is more important to me. And avoiding fights to try to place higher will not help me achieve that goal.
