Ok, so here is the real question.
Do you think SMBB is necessary in fps pvp games? I do no think it is. PVP is competitive, there is only sweat, no casual mode. You want to win, get better. SBMM means the guy who spent 500 ho...
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Can't say I agree with a game being only enjoyable to a certain amount of high skilled players simply because they put in more time.
I work an 8hr job. I don't have time to grind away on a game to 'Get better' I play to have fun.
So I shouldn't have an enjoyable gaming experience because I have a life outside of apex instead of grinding away on a game in my parents basement??
If the game isn't fun to the majority of casual players, it will get dropped and you'll just be going against the hard sweats that stayed.
And while I don't think the lobbies should be baby easy, there's certain players I have no business being in a lobby with and it's no fun to constantly be rolled over by them no matter how hard you try to improve.
Imo this 'Get better' notion comes from a selfish desire to keep your own games simpler. You don't want to have to work any hard than you already have and you want your easy kills because for whatever reason easy kills are more satisfying than killing someone at your level. (Generally speaking)
What is even the point of a rank mode then? Even though ranked match making is just as bad, why have bronze, silver, or gold tiers if the higher experienced players can just drop into your lobbies and trash every team they come across?
You might not think it's necessary but I disagree, match making is an important factor that can make or break a game.
Can't say I agree with a game being only enjoyable to a certain amount of high skilled players simply because they put in more time.
I work an 8hr job. I don't have time to grind away on a game to 'Get better' I play to have fun.
So I shouldn't have an enjoyable gaming experience because I have a life outside of apex instead of grinding away on a game in my parents basement??
If the game isn't fun to the majority of casual players, it will get dropped and you'll just be going against the hard sweats that stayed.
And while I don't think the lobbies should be baby easy, there's certain players I have no business being in a lobby with and it's no fun to constantly be rolled over by them no matter how hard you try to improve.
Imo this 'Get better' notion comes from a selfish desire to keep your own games simpler. You don't want to have to work any hard than you already have and you want your easy kills because for whatever reason easy kills are more satisfying than killing someone at your level. (Generally speaking)
What is even the point of a rank mode then? Even though ranked match making is just as bad, why have bronze, silver, or gold tiers if the higher experienced players can just drop into your lobbies and trash every team they come across?
You might not think it's necessary but I disagree, match making is an important factor that can make or break a game.
- @XxColdFangxX "Imo this 'Get better' notion comes from a selfish desire to keep your own games simpler."
Hang on there sir, how is it selfish to expect better outcomes if you put in more hours than the player next to you, yet you have the same outcomes? If you haven't already, you will hit this same wall eventually and what then? You literally have nowhere to go when that happens.
I think the selfish part is that people want easy and don't want to explore the game enough to get to that point naturally. We have ranked for killing people at our own level, why should it be a thing in pubs too?As I said generally speaking. So no offense intended, but if you want to be..
As mentioned before pubs is a casual game mode. If every person you come across in what is supposed to be a casual gaming experience is a hard core sweat, then it isn't actually a casual game mode.
If game play is the way you're wanting it to be with SBMM thrown out the window then there is even less room for improvement, than there is now for the casual gamer or people who are just starting the game, because in a lobby filled with sweats, all it is, is die and repeat, die and repeat. That's not learning, or improving, it's just filling a sweats kill quota.
It is not selfish to ask for a more even playing field for casual and new players who have jobs and lives outside of video games.
It is however selfish to sit there and think "well I put in all this work. These other people just aren't trying hard enough and because I did all of this work, everyone else should be forced to play the way that I do and should learn to play the game at the same pace that I did."
Not everyone learns the same way, learns at the same speed, or has the same amount of time to put into a game as others do.
"We have ranked for killing people at our own level."
With all the smurfs apex allows to run rampant in its game and how easy it is for one to get demoted to easier lobbies, this sentence is the farthest thing from the truth.
You wanting to throw SBMM out in pubs would just turn them into basically ranked. There'd be even less point for the casual player to play this game so as stated before, your lobbies would just end up being filled with the same sweats you don't want to get stuck going against. Or as you so think "no where to go".Even if I had put as much hours into the game as you I wouldn't want lobbies like that. I don't see the fairness or the fun in taking out people that don't have the same experience. Sure, kills are nice, especially when you manage to kill a sweat, but one of the things I like about arenas is when you get those matches that can go either way. Not just have one clear winner.
Then there's also the already pointed out fact that Apex is a GAME, games are meant to be enjoyable, and for a game to be enjoyable and successful, it needs to be enjoyed by more than a certain few.
If you want to take the game seriously go right ahead. No one is forcing you to, but don't expect or try to force others to play like you.@XxColdFangxXNo offence taken it's just a discussion after all 🙂
It's not selfish at all to expect to see improvement vs time invested. That is the natural order of all things, games or otherwise. If sbmm is so great why is the average kd 1? And the average win rate ~5%? It allows everyone to be below average in reality...everyone is getting stomped now as it is anyway? And to me that's a broken system. 1 kill out of a lobby of 60 players is supposedly a good system regardless of where you fall on the skill ladder? No thanks.
I don't get the fear though, chances are with a population this big you would be sweating less, if you are remotely competent, not more. I very much doubt you or anyone on these forums would be the worst player in the lobby. SBMM has already turned pubs into ranked, I don't see how it could be worse than it is now...I mean how many complaints do we need to see regarding this before people believe it's a problem?
I see both sides of the argument tho - casuals want protection from better players via sbmm and good players want to break free from it as it turns every match into a sweat fest anyway. But I cannot agree that a pvp game, where the objective is killing opponents should only cater to one side. This is literally what's causing burnout and smurfing for the most part and probably a good degree of why people cheat too. Obviously there should be protection for new players, that's a given but otherwise I don't care for sbmm in any shooter. It makes the idea of improvement useless and possibly is gonna make you feel worse the longer you play because you feel a sense of stagnation.In lobbies with more variance you would dominate some matches and lose some, but at least you are not bound to a robot deciding when you win or lose.
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