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hayhor's avatar
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago

Please nerf valk

I can't even select her anymore now that everyone is using her. I'd like a nerf just to scare people away. I spent the night going bowling with Maggie which actually was pretty fun.
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KelRiever's avatar
KelRiever
3 years ago

I would say it's because they can't admit they made a mistake.  Which is weird because they kind of did with Seer. Seer, who still should be removed from the game.

Seer is my favorite character to leave 'feedback' with.

Sand_spitter's avatar
Sand_spitter
3 years ago
@KelRiever People on Reddit are never wrong, always right, we all know that 😉
  • NullEffective9's avatar
    NullEffective9
    3 years ago

    All right, all right. I am gonna cause a ruckus here, I am certain, but I am gonna say it anyway:

    Valkyrie is not overpowered. People just don't like a Legend that enables third partying or punishes a split team.

    Placement is king among those in the top 10, and Valkyrie provides a kit that:

    • enables a team to correct a placement mistake, and
    • enables a team to scout and third party someone with a weak(er) position

    Her rocket pods are easy enough to evade when you're playing in proper cover, can be countered by things like Wattson's ult or Gibby's shield, and don't have the same stun duration as Bang's creep.

    If I were to prescribe a nerf for her that would make her Ultimate more situational, it'd be to slow down the ascent by ten or fifteen percent. That's all. There could be some more weight behind the decision. But for all the times that Valk had landed near me with her team, it's been because I am split up and easy to target.

    Increase map awareness, listen for the Ultimate (it's almost always within earshot if she can land near you), and understand that sometimes you're just gonna lose to it because her team can get the better position that you left to fight.

    • DankToliet's avatar
      DankToliet
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @NullEffective9 wrong times 1000000000. I don't like a legend who's PASSIVE makes Pathfinders TACTICAL a joke. Remove her rockets and make her jetpack her Tact, then reduce its fuel tank.

      That would be balance.
      • pandareno1999's avatar
        pandareno1999
        Hero+
        3 years ago

        I play this character (even got the heirloom) but I cannot take seriously anyone who says she is not OP in her current state and needs no nerfs.  I think it's likely she will get the Horizon treatment and be gutted, but I don't know if that's possible without a re-work.

    • Sand_spitter's avatar
      Sand_spitter
      3 years ago
      @NullEffective9 It's not up for debate. At this point it's either accept the facts or live in denial. Whatever floats your boat.

      What boggles my mind is that people are so dependent on abilities to get a win. Shoot your gun, that get's you wins. If balance was achieved in this game whatever character you choose shouldn't matter at all.
      • NullEffective9's avatar
        NullEffective9
        3 years ago

        @Sand_spitter And yet here we are.

        Ya know.

        Debating.

        "What boggles my mind is that people are so dependent on abilities to get a win. Shoot your gun, that get's (sic) you wins."

        But also the community:

        Nerf spitfire

        Nerf wingman

        Nerf R301

        And then:

        "If balance was achieved in this game whatever character you choose shouldn't matter at all."

        It would also be a far more boring game.

        There are three things that forums and Reddit tend to call for nerfs on en masse:

        • Whatever is the "meta"
        • Whatever is in ALGS (which lends itself to meta)
        • Whatever is flavor of the month to die to

        In this thread, I've seen talk about jetpacks and pods. The jetpacks are loud as heck and give away a position far more easily. A thing I get upset at with Valkyrie players is how easily they broadcast their position to everyone in an area because they like to pretend they're Superman, hovering in the air. Revenant counters this with a tactical. Wattson fences off levels that she'd come up to. Even in certain situations, Caustic can deny an area with gas.

        "But Koulnis, she can just fly above that."

        What, is she moving at mach 1? Shoot her. Her flight arc is one of the easiest things to track in this game. And repositioning for where she goes to can be done by (in least to greatest difficulty):

        • Wraith
        • Pathfinder
        • Octane
        • Ash

        Rocket pods: I get hit wit those so infrequently. They're an area of denial tactical that punish you for poor positioning. If you get hit by those, you're being punished for poor positioning. Other heroes that can provide area of denial:

        • Caustic
        • Revenant
        • Wattson
        • Fuse
        • Bangalore
        • Mad Maggie
        • Rampart

        Again, people are complaining about a character that enables positioning. which can be done via area of denial. Valkyrie allows for easier bullying, but it's not absolute. And not every Legend needs to be, nor should be built to counter every other Legend.

        Disclaimer: I've played Valk maybe once.

        P.S. "It's not up for debate" is really weak. You don't have a position of authority in these forums or over me to use such a phrase. Deal with your cognitive dissonance and come debate me.

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