S7 BP Still Feels Bad (imo)

@maximas1986 No no, you're not missing anything, it's all just personal opinion, and differences in what constitutes as something worth time and effort. 

For me personally, I've always had a problem with how they designed their challenges, because it feels like they haven't taken into account the different levels of RNG that go into every single game. Things like, "Get X knockdowns" or "Kill X enemies" are fine. The RNG it relies on are things you're going to be doing anyway, AKA, finding weapons and gear, and finding enemies. You do what you're supposed to, and you get rewarded for it based on your own mechanical skill.

But things like, "Respawn X teammates" or "Revive X teammates" or "Loot X carepackages" have multiple levels of RNG attached to them, and I'll explain. Respawning teammates requires a teammate to A. die, and B. not immediately quit, two things that are beyond your control. Then, you have to make your way to a respawn beacon, which in end-game zones will frequently force you to choose between playing to win the match, or to get a progress point on your weekly. What if there's no respawn beacons in zone? That's wasted time due to factors beyond your control. What happens if you die in transit? That's wasted time due to a factor beyond your control. Reviving teammates again requires A. a downed teammate. B. for them to not immediately quit. If you can't get to them, that's wasted time. If they leave, wasted time. If they get killed, wasted time.

I'm very objective oriented, if a goal is set, I'll do my best to meet it. So when they put in goals that are not really in-line with your overall objective per-game (AKA winning) it's pretty crappy to be forced to decide between progress on your BP or winning overall. I'm not saying, "Hey don't revive or respawn anyone." or, "I don't revive / respawn anyone at all." but rather, while I grind the BP, I'm frequently forced to choose between progress or winning, and I often throw games because I don't know if or when I'll be able to get more progress for the BP with the limited time I have, and that especially goes for things like, "Respawn / Revive teammates". 

Basically, short and sweet, BP objectives need to be revamped for more in-combat objectives that focus on you playing to win per match, rather than "challenges" that rely more on other players behavior / RNG in loot / RNG in location in order to progress. On top of this, they still need to make playing in and of itself more rewarding. 

@JonStriker126 As a week one player, it really is sad to see how little things have improved overall. Certain aspects of the game are really well done, and you can tell that the devs who worked on said portions really love what they do, and love Apex. But then it's all muddied through how little the game's health has improved over 7 seasons, with how they price and sell skins, and how they interact with the community. 

@pastaclownyou are 100% correct and I understand your point of view which is very true. but honestly and in my personal opinion, I don't give it that much of concern, if I don't want to finish a challenge I will just skip it and wait for another one that will be more doable for me.
for example, I never did any of the " scan 15 survey beacons " or " neuro link 15 enemies with crypto " (because I simply hate crypto lol ).
I believe that as long dailies still exist and it can help with leveling up the same as the weeklies then there shouldn't be a problem especially that you can just change it if you don't want to do it.
At the end that's why it's called a challenge, it sucks yes but it's not impossible and it's avoidable.
you can just focus on dailies and forget about the pain in the butt weeklies 🙂

I seem to be the only person doing better at the BP this season than any other. Three weeks in and I'm at level 67.

Surely the whole point of the BP is its a loyalty scheme? The more you play the more you are rewarded?

I only really do the BP so I don't have to pay for the next BP. I've only use one item I've gotten so far, Rev's kill quip. 

It's not about how fast you can make progress but what is required to make progress:

1. Previous BP: You have freedom when to play and you want to play more on the weekend.

2. Current BP: You have to play everyday but once you're done with daily challenges, you're back grinding slowly and you don't want to play it anymore.

I used to enjoy play longer time on weekend but not anymore.

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@asukojo wrote:

It's not about how fast you can make progress but what is required to make progress:

1. Previous BP: You have freedom when to play and you want to play more on the weekend.

2. Current BP: You have to play everyday but once you're done with daily challenges, you're back grinding slowly and you don't want to play it anymore.

I used to enjoy play longer time on weekend but not anymore.

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@asukojo

Exactly. I remember someone in a random BP thread, when this all started, talking about how someone did the math and if you play *every day* and do all your challenges, this system can be better, because the Stars are static. Not like in the old system where 6K XP challenges lost "value" as the week went on (6K out of a 9K BP level is far more "value" than 6K out of a 54K BP level).

But, let's assume all of that is true (I don't know if their math was right, I couldn't be bothered to proof read it, myself), even still that leaves the issues that I've said above, and that you and others have said, as well.

Some people just can't play every day. That is fact. So, even if this system does reward better Daily "engagement" than the old system, it doesn't really matter to those players, because they'll never see those benefits of this system.

The reality is, the old system worked better for a lot of people. Oh, you only have Friday - Sunday to play Apex? Great, that gives you 3 days to do the 9K - 54K BP levels, do enough Dailies for the extra 2 BP levels, and maybe get some Weekly +1 BP level Challenges done, and you're good. Rinse and repeat next weekend.

You can't do that with this system. And it's hurting those that can't, or simply don't want to play for hours, every day. Because, honestly, even if you *can* play this game, all the time, you just need a break sometimes. You have other games you like to play, other things to do, you can't be chained to Apex all the time.

And, yes, while they have made things better since the S7 launch, it's still a slog. Even for those that can play every day, because like you said, once they finish their challenges, they are met with a 50K XP BP level *every single time*. It's just too much. The least they could do is reduce the XP. Either a static drop (as I suggested in my OP) or a sliding scale as others have suggested (for example: your first X number of times hitting 5K, it gives you 5 Stars, then it gives 4, then 3, and so on, until it's back to 1) and then at the start of the next week, the sliding scale resets, similar to how the old XP system worked.

They need to do more changes with this system, it's not good as it is. I know some people have quit criticizing the S7 BP since we got the Double XP days and the free BP levels. But, those people need to realize that those things were temporary, and more than likely, we won't have those for S8, if we keep this system.

It's better for them to fix it now, than wait for another wave of backlash in a couple months, when people realize this system still sucks, because Respawn is no longer handing out Double XP and free levels to try and patch over the huge cracks/flaws in this new BP system.