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6 years ago

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Solos and duos is worth it

I believe solos and duos can work, and a limited time game mode being made available may be a good step. Solos will make lifeline less useful... but gibralatar can still use his powers in a "solo" fashion along with caustic, pathfinder, bangalore, bloodhound, wraith, and octane. Just because one character is rendered slightly usless in this game mode doesn't mean it's not worth a shot, and this could open up different playstyles. I understand pinging, respawn beacons, and even gold shield won't be useful and they don't have to keep those in this gamemode, but personally i think the gold shield could have some use because if you fight someone and other solos jump in you may hide and rez while they fight, and yes I understand this is rare but the gold shield from my understanding gets thirsted a lot before its used so it is already inherently rare to be used. People have addressed that this {pinging, respawn beacons...} is what makes the game different but the powers/abilities and pace are what really entice me in this game, plus this won't destroy their game if they test this out because so many people I've played with (randoms and friends) have complained to me about how they wish there was a solo/duo mode. The gaming community may not know what is best for the game but if they just would try listening to this idea more people could stay in this game and more people could join. A lot of what I have said doesn't really address duos either, but most of what I mentioned doesn't go too much against it so if solos is never put in the game I can understand to an extent but if duos is never put in the game I believe people will continually slip away from this game. (Also with dealing with servers/lag spikes- if they are able to find a way to deal with it or fix something like that in a reasonable time people will more than likely stay but all of this is assuming it will happen. Along with this the player base for 3s Squads may shrink when adding this game mode but i believe it will pull in those who left and bring in new people meaning its worth whatever fear is present)

discussion

DoYaSeeMe
6 years ago
There's no point for duos, as it would be almost the same game as now. I can give you reasons against solos:
The playerbase will be split, this will lead to longer waiting times and potentially fewer available servers after a while ( to keep the queues filled at all times), which means higher ping for many players. it's not like in Overwatch, where only 8-12 players are needed for a match
Solo mode needs a serious rebalancing, otherwise Pathfinder is the only legend to pick, as it can reach places no other legends can (walls of repulsor area, for example), then snipe the hell out of everyone else. This legend can also move way faster than most, it can escape easier, stay longer outside the circle for looting.
If abilities would be removed in solo play, any new legend added would be as appealing as a new skin.
Pinging, reviving, respawning, shields, ultimate accelerants would be useless in solo mode. By the way, self revive shield in solo mode makes absolutely no sense, it will be obvious that a player has it because he's downed and not dead.
The game experience will lose its appeal: no more flanking, pinching, choking or other team strategies,but more camping and 4th-5th-6th partying and kill stealing will occur instead.
Solo mode would reduce the need to get more online friends to play with.
Apex is a team based game, it's build from the ground up to praise team values, such as cooperation and friendship, not just competitiveness. If its survival would depend on a solo mode it would be a big problem, like a failure of the product as it was originally intended.
I understand that many people request this solo mode, but I think very few actually understand what that entails. Besides, I'm pretty sure the devs tried a solo mode when developing Apex and probably decided then that is not viable. It is good to listen to the community, of course, but only up to a point, because it's mostly made from people that don't have the experience and creativity of the industry devs and often decide on a whim.

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jonesy0218
6 years ago
Very well thought out post that's not trashing other people or claiming you're right by default. Bravo!
Just to play devil's advocate - Respawn has already expressed the direction they want APEX to go in. There would be things they'd have to test thoroughly in solos before they could even think about releasing it. It's one thing to have a solo mode with only cosmetic differences (Blackout, Fortnite, etc.), but they have to balance a mode with different Legends and abilities and all the ways they interact - good and bad. I personally think it would create an even more toxic community because they're hardly releasing updates as-is. What makes people think there are enough devs dedicated to solos to fix all the problems that will definitely come with it? I think it's a very possible thing to add solos, but the way they handle updates and the smaller size of their team leaves a lot of room for doubt. We can't force them to create something. They just have to see a good enough return on their time and resources (which seems to be extremely limited already). I just see this as a disaster waiting to happen. Let's slow down and enjoy this new season and all the quality of life changes before asking for a whole new mode with whole new challenges. It's not a switch that they can cut on or off (can you believe some people think they can just make it 60 individual players instead of 20 teams of 3?). There are more scenarios to account for than most games because of the diversity of Legends/abilities. I don't want them to release something and receive the same backlash as Season 1. I do like the idea of maybe doing a test run for solos. I'm not against the mode by any means, but I don't think they should ruin their reputation when they have such a great foundation. Solos needs to build on the foundation of the core game, not be released as a desperate attempt to "make the game better."
SlivPTS
6 years ago
@jonesy0218
I will join this topic as i also think that SOLO mode is IMPORTANT.

- Playing with randoms is such a nightmare. Many of them play as SOLO anyway. They jump where they want, they run away and die in few minutes. When you play with 2 players who are in party and one of them dies, second player simply leaves.
And there must be STRONG punishment for players who leave game when you recover banner and run to respawn beacon. It happens sooo often. You risk so much to get their banner, but they don't want to wait minute while you run to closest/best respawn beacon.
Simply add 5 min wait timer... player can't play when he quits.

- Also what logic is behind sorting teams?
Completely random, or there is some logic? There are days when game puts me with players who are shooting from every weapon they pick up (to test it), they ping non existent enemies after every minute and when you ping body shield lvl3 they simply run away with lvl1. Or you play with "rembo" in squad (1000+ kills usually), who runs alone and after few seconds you hear "i take damage friend", "i am down", "i need help" and then you must run in trap and die...

All these problems will disappear in SOLO mode. Also is SOLO mode is less LUCK and more skill. Again all players play differently, someone wants to jump in fight immediately, someone else land in safe place to find shields/weapon.

@RESPAWN
If SOLO mode is not planed, we want to hear reason.
I personally don't see any negative aspects for SOLO mode.
For you at beginning was important Squads, because this way you could get more players via Friends system...
But now everyone already knows about Apex.
If SOLO is not coming, due so many game mechanics are based on teamwork, at least add DUOS.
Koochi-Q
6 years ago
‘BareboneSolo’©️. Remove everything like abilities and respawn beacons. Just give us the gunplay.

Yes, alot of resources/manpower is needed to keep such a game mode up & running, so just do away with all the ‘normal’ apex stuff and just give us the gungame.

I may be out of line here, but I don’t think most people would mind/care either way, who want solo’s that is, if the abilities, which coincidentally is what sets apex apart from the rest, get removed in this game mode. I think people would rather shoot everything up if that means solo’s get added.

Might just be me tho 😣
Silz616
6 years ago
@Koochi-Q wrote:
‘BareboneSolo’©️. Remove everything like abilities and respawn beacons. Just give us the gunplay.

Yes, alot of resources/manpower is needed to keep such a game mode up & running, so just do away with all the ‘normal’ apex stuff and just give us the gungame.

I may be out of line here, but I don’t think most people would mind/care either way, who want solo’s that is, if the abilities, which coincidentally is what sets apex apart from the rest, get removed in this game mode. I think people would rather shoot everything up if that means solo’s get added.

Might just be me tho 😣
Then there's Titanfall 2. Same gunplay, many modes including FFA.
I think Respawn do not want to split the player base. We have ranked coming. Squad play is this games focus.
Koochi-Q
6 years ago
@Silz616 No then there’s not Titanfall 2 cause that is and feels different. Maps are entirely different, you can’t wallrun and get into titans for mecha-destruction.

I can’t assume what Respawn wants so I won’t take a gander on the subject.
madmantheonlyone
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
it should be their focus, because this game is unplayable as a solo in this forced squad system. I literally have not had a good game in god knows how long... I played a lot from day 1 and it was actually working around that time, you got decent people who weren't complete idiots. And then the more and more ppl started to play the ratio between decent games and just horrible ones went worse and worse. So I stopped playing and only recently returned to see what it's like now.. and actually it is even worse... I spend more time in the lobby waiting than playing. My "teammates" play solo anyway, they run off to different directions get killed thinking they can take a whole team alone, even if I try sticking with one of them we are still one person short in a fight.
It is easy to say this is a team based game (it really isn't) when you have a premade team... sure... sadly a lot of people don't and spending more time loading in and out of matches than playing it not fun at all...
GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
I am not feeling this game in smaller iterations. I think Apex is in a sweet spot and squads should be catered to. I say that even though I haven't been able to find a decent clan to join that plays so I can play pre-mades instead of with rando's but that is more my own fault then any. It isn't like I haven't tried to find a group though. most my wins are from Rando groups though that is a cool thing. Other games feel hopeless random dropping and I never won one game playing any other BR. I think that is what impresses me most about Apex other than decent gameplay.
Wingmannedbro
6 years ago
Duo's would honestly be the best game mode, no changes need to be made. But I used to be against the idea of solo's but ultimately I can around on that, and support it now.
Like OP explained, it wouldn't take sweeping changes to make it work, and every legend would still be playable.
DoYaSeeMe
6 years ago
There's no point for duos, as it would be almost the same game as now. I can give you reasons against solos:
The playerbase will be split, this will lead to longer waiting times and potentially fewer available servers after a while ( to keep the queues filled at all times), which means higher ping for many players. it's not like in Overwatch, where only 8-12 players are needed for a match
Solo mode needs a serious rebalancing, otherwise Pathfinder is the only legend to pick, as it can reach places no other legends can (walls of repulsor area, for example), then snipe the hell out of everyone else. This legend can also move way faster than most, it can escape easier, stay longer outside the circle for looting.
If abilities would be removed in solo play, any new legend added would be as appealing as a new skin.
Pinging, reviving, respawning, shields, ultimate accelerants would be useless in solo mode. By the way, self revive shield in solo mode makes absolutely no sense, it will be obvious that a player has it because he's downed and not dead.
The game experience will lose its appeal: no more flanking, pinching, choking or other team strategies,but more camping and 4th-5th-6th partying and kill stealing will occur instead.
Solo mode would reduce the need to get more online friends to play with.
Apex is a team based game, it's build from the ground up to praise team values, such as cooperation and friendship, not just competitiveness. If its survival would depend on a solo mode it would be a big problem, like a failure of the product as it was originally intended.
I understand that many people request this solo mode, but I think very few actually understand what that entails. Besides, I'm pretty sure the devs tried a solo mode when developing Apex and probably decided then that is not viable. It is good to listen to the community, of course, but only up to a point, because it's mostly made from people that don't have the experience and creativity of the industry devs and often decide on a whim.
jumanjaydazed
6 years ago
solo tdm