Still perma banned - and EA says stop asking

@LaughingSharko You're correct - no one on this forums can help. The EA ToS team basically seems to only be able to help mostly on hacked accounts - which is fine. But I asked the first time what happened and why - got no response. Asked a 2nd time and was told they don't give you any information. And the 3rd+ has been we closed this we won't look at it any more.

I can ask what they think I did - and get no answers. I can state things over and over again - and really it's my statements vs. the world.

And your welcome to your opinions. And there are definitely cheaters.. definitely people who work the system. When I first got I banned I posted my stats and said how could some one who mostly sucks at this game be cheating? If you want to see them, go look at my first post for help about it.
My vibe on the falsely banned is that having watched the forums for the last 2 couple months, I see a handful of people who state the same thing, show some sort of proof that maybe they didn't do it (and given the information I see some of them seem to be telling the truth -maybe I'm being gullible, but some of what they state and show is similar in feelings to mine).
I also see some people who popped in, state it, and then never come back. And early on when I first posted it, the sentiment from heavy posters was - everyone is a cheater who says they were banned.

So my post to unite is more - don't assume everyone who got banned was a cheater. Take what people say with a grain of salt sure.. But treating people directly like a cheater is similar to treating some one who claims something bad happened to them as a lier just because you, personally don't want to have to believe them since it breaks one of your main ideals.

The problem here is that the gaming community is treating people like they are guilty until proven innocent. And the only way to prove their innocence seems to lie with a company who doesn't have to provide evidence or show anyone, including the accused what is believed to have occurred.

All I asked from EA/ToS was what do you believe I did, so I can either provide evidence to the contrary, or be able to say, oh I didn't realize that odd thing must be a problem, since it's not documented anywhere.
And that specific information has been denied me. And from a handful of other people, same type of thing.

So sure - keep calling anyone who is banned a cheater. But understand that EA/ToS and the system can mark anyone for it, ban the account permanently, and don't have to show or prove anything. No first time warning, no we think we see an issue, if you don't stop we will ban you.
Just outright one day playing the game, the next not able to.

So keep that in mind when you talk things in a high and mighty way. Watch out that you don't end up on a server that is DDoS a few times, but don't die out right. Or something along those lines... And then find that your account is banned...

I.e. you could have the same thing happen, and then the same people you treat as having to be a cheater since EA banned them, without sending them any proof, are now the same as the person you have become. And people who are like you now, treat you in the same way.

It this reason I keep talking, and bringing it up. The overall fundamental system is designed to just ban people, and unless it is easy to prove (ala hacker info showing due to IP address), nothing is done.

@BinkDeBook You have no idea how the system works. You were banned. They investigated. You're still banned. Case closed.

This won't happen to me because I am careful to follow the TOS. Much like other players who have been here season after season without any kind of problem. Who still are here this season as well.

@apostolateofDOOM Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

I've found that most gaming companies, EA included, tend to err on the side of being too lenient against cheating, not the opposite. They go out of their way to avoid permanently banning paying customers, unless their logs show firm evidence of cheating.

As for players who are unbanned because of providing evidence of "hacking," I believe even many of them are guilty, but EA can't prove it so they unban. VPNs are so cheap these days.

@LaughingSharko That is a hilarious statement, that gaming companies error on being too lenient. In terms of "free to play" games like Apex, you fundamentally can just create a new account. The basics of the ban can be... Ban people, and if it's not an easy thing to decide (i.e. looks like a hack), just keep them banned, and make them make a new account.
For them they get the money they want either way.