TBH, its time for Apex Legends 2
The game is unsaveable at this point IMO. Just pack it in and give us an update on an Unreal 5 or comparable engine. Build in AI and machine learning anti cheat and charge a small monthly subscript...
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https://variety.com/2024/gaming/news/apex-legends-changes-ea-season-22-battle-pass-1236194385/
"However, when an analyst asked about the possibility of a sequel game rather than an overhaul of the existing title, which debuted in 2019, Wilson noted that EA is currently not interested in launching an “Apex Legends 2.” Wilson said that historically in gaming, “the version two thing has almost never been as successful as the version one thing.”
Not really sure how much Mr. Wilson actually games himself but would have to disagree on the sequel thing with the following great sequel games that I have played as examples:
RDR2
Street Fighter II
CS2
Witcher 3
Assassins Creed II
Helldivers 2
Team Fortress 2
Titanfall 2
Settlers II
https://activeplayer.io/overwatch-2/
Doesnt matter if its sequel or not. Well made game is a well made game. This usually leads to success.
To add to you list.
Baldurs Gate 1
Baldurs Gate 2
Baldurs Gate 3
All three broke records in gaming one right after the other, and BG three made history by being the first to win all five of the 'major' game awards.
With another developer and another publisher...maybe.
But Respawn and EA would make the same bad decisions again and again.
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My gaming knowledge isn't broad enough for a definitive answer, but I'm reminded of the seemingly unstoppable ascent of Halo from 2001 to 2004 to 2007... and then I'm sure we all know what happened. What is continuing to happen. It's a tough one.
What Wilson says: "EA is currently not interested in launching an “Apex Legends 2.”"
What Wilson is really saying: "EA is currently not interested in funding the development of "Apex Legends 2" while Apex Legends 1 is still capable of bringing in large amounts of money on a development that has now recouped its investment many times over. That revenue stream would have to drop off significantly past its current point before the idea of a relaunch or sequel would be considered financially necessary."- @XNocturnalGamer
I know what you're saying...
But Wilson isn't saying it feels better to keep the game as is. He's saying it feels more profitable. And that's true enough, especially from the mouth of a man whose purpose is to make money. But what the game needs is definitely not updated legends, weapons, gameplay even. It needs an engine that can handle the audio and servers that can handle the game. And an anti cheat that can handle the player base. I won't even mention the sbmm because no one has ever got that right so it seems disingenuous to expect it now from Respawn.
- @Airish85 Then just update it to a new engine with AI or machine learning anti cheat and start charging a small fee for active admins &/or server leases but still call it Apex Legends.
The engine is collapsing under the weight of all the crap they've stuffed into it, the anti cheat software does nothing, smurfs are allowed if not encouraged, and 20 tick servers just don't cut it anymore.@HappyHourSumwurI'm sure that it's a heavily modified version of source, but regardless, the game feels good and looks fantastic in my opinion. I think it has absolutely nothing to do with the engine. Big games like this typically mod parts of the engine, like networking, to meet their personal needs. I agree though that feature creep can have a negative impact on performance, switching to a different engine would have ZERO effect on that however.
The AI cheat thing is unproven as well. It's interesting, and I'm curious to see how well it does in BO6, but there's so many things companies can do to combat cheaters. The biggest problem is that they don't feel the necessity to do so. How does stopping cheaters help their bottom line? How does it translate to them making more money? Triple A studios, without a doubt, could solve the cheating problem IF they wanted to. It would never be perfect, and they wouldn't be able to stop it instantly every time, but they can do better if the incentive for them was there.20 tick servers are trash. It's not suitable for an online twitch shooter.
- @WhoopFighter Aside from paying people to police the game, what are all the other things game companies can do to combat cheaters? Is there an anti cheat out there that works?
As Long as they won’t change their track their is no purpose in a second game.
the issues the game has are so fundamentally broken that they need to shift their vision of the game first.
- @HappyHourSumwur Even though OW has a sequel, I honestly doubt EA will. They will squeeze as much money as possible out of this game & when it's dead they will move on to another shooter. Maybe if pros beg or gripe enough they might make a sequel but it's not likely.
- @Airish85 Came here to say the same. People in charge of making and selling games should really play games themselves and have a true passion for them.
Just look at Steamcharts. And like you said, a two in the title doesn't mean anything in itself, it just depends if its a well made game that matters.
Dota 2 to add to the list.
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