The Cheater Problem is Artificial
All I see on the forums is complaining about cheaters. I have yet to see a single person I truly, without a doubt, can say is a cheater. I've been playing games for way too long and for most of my ti...
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I agree with VPPTrue. There are cheaters, but people are blowing it completely out of proportion. Anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean anything, but out of about 300 games, I maybe ran into 2 suspect plays. I think a lot of people on here need a scapegoat as to why they are performing poorly. "If I'm not able to win or get top 3, someone must be cheating". Having this attitude will be a hindrance to learning the game. You need to accept there are better players than you in order to grow and get better at the game. And I agree, you probably could've used "inflated" instead of "artificial".
@Kire224 wrote:I agree with VPPTrue. There are cheaters, but people are blowing it completely out of proportion. Anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean anything, but out of about 300 games, I maybe ran into 2 suspect plays. I think a lot of people on here need a scapegoat as to why they are performing poorly. "If I'm not able to win or get top 3, someone must be cheating". Having this attitude will be a hindrance to learning the game. You need to accept there are better players than you in order to grow and get better at the game. And I agree, you probably could've used "inflated" instead of "artificial".
The difference with "anecdotal evidence" about cheating is that it's backed up with statistics and video evidence. Whereas your "anecdotal evidence" about players not cheating is not backed up by any stats at all. Even if 16,000 bans were a tiny portion of the player base, it doesn't mean that the players reporting cheats on the forum haven't encountered one of them.
In addition to the stats that back up accounts of cheating on the forums there is the number of instances of cheating. So if there were 16,000 cheats who each played 25 matches with 60 players that would be 24,000,000 instances of cheating, if they only cheated once for each player on the server. Each of those players being a witness who could potentially post on the forums.
We are talking about how many people have seen someone cheating. Or how many people witnessed those 16,000 players cheating. Plus all the other ones who have been banned in the two weeks or so since that information became available.
Statistics? There were 16,000 cheaters caught around the same time 25,000,000 players were reported. That means there's about 1 cheater in every 1,563 players. In any one game, there would be 59 other players if you queued solo. For that one game you have 0.00108% chance of meeting a cheater. That means for every 1,000 games you play, you have 1.08% chance of meeting a cheater one time. I'd say about 1/5th of the forum posts are about cheaters. I think it's a bit of mental gymnastics to think that cheats are as rampant as whats being reported on these forums.
It would be really interesting to pull all the profiles of both people claiming they don't see cheaters and people claiming cheats are running rampant. You could do a regression analysis based on their level and kills through the stat tracker website. I expect you would reach the conclusion that people claiming that there are rampant cheats just need to "git gud".
@Kire224 wrote:Statistics? There were 16,000 cheaters caught around the same time 25,000,000 players were reported. That means there's about 1 cheater in every 1,563 players. In any one game, there would be 59 other players if you queued solo. For that one game you have 0.00108% chance of meeting a cheater. That means for every 1,000 games you play, you have 1.08% chance of meeting a cheater one time. I'd say about 1/5th of the forum posts are about cheaters. I think it's a bit of mental gymnastics to think that cheats are as rampant as whats being reported on these forums.
It would be really interesting to pull all the profiles of both people claiming they don't see cheaters and people claiming cheats are running rampant. You could do a regression analysis based on their level and kills through the stat tracker website. I expect you would reach the conclusion that people claiming that there are rampant cheats just need to "git gud".
Where is the evidence to support your claim of 25 million players reported? What makes you think that the 16,000 were banned because of either reports on EAC or the forums, rather than by being detected by EAC itself?
You don't have answers to those questions because you're just making things up as you go along. There is no information about how many players have been reported, or how many who have been banned as a result of being reported.
Your claim, that player reports are wrong because the players who made them are bad at the game, is completely false.
https://www.ea.com/news/apex-legends-25-million-players
"We’re also thrilled to announce that since last Monday, more than 25 million players have jumped into the game"
I'm done arguing. It's the same thing with every game. People see one video of a hacker and they think everyone is hacking.
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