The official Matchmaking blog post

full on 3 stack preds in plat/diamond lobbies all over again. garbage

@FatherFreeman415

Just in case, the problem might not be about matchmaking as much it might be about cheating. That case about hackers messing with Apex Legends' tournament might have given a slight taste of it. But as long as I'm not able to tell how many people is cheating in this game, I'll just add that I have met one sure case of cheating in game and a lot more suspicious ones.

PS. For hitting people with your gun, you might wan't to try shooting in burst rather than full auto. That helped me a lot. Very few guns in the game can be shot full auto without problems. (At least without upgrades). Second one is that in very close encounter situations don't use sights. (Some weapons excluded). You need that larger view of not using sight in close up encounters. And if the opponent is too close, just hit them with melee to get some more space. In some cases that might even kill them.

Had nice evenly balanced games yesterday. Now its payback time. Lube not included. 

Maybe I am just too old but I dont really understand the mentality with the current matchmaking.
I get the dopamine rewarding trick but I mean how juvenile / low self esteem do you have to be to actually see this kind of lopsided match as a great win for the other team?
"GET WRECKED!" BOOYAH!"

By creating this kind of matches you are superboosting the ingame toxicity & giving players mixed signals about their own MMR. 
This in return results massive egoboosts and posts on social media & forums how everyone that kills me is a cheater.

"I just dropped 10 kills in TDM. I am the best there ever will be in Apex. This next guy simply cant be better as I have the results from my last match to show. So he was definitely cheating and also my braindead teammates who didnt help me" 

Few hours back, I got decent matches in game. Meaning that at least some of them my team won. Now that I tried to play this game again, it seems like the fairness in matchmaking has again gone down the toilet. It seems like in other multiplayer games, this problem goes up during certain hours. Not sure if it's due to increased amount of player from certain countries or just that certain players are playing during those hours. I'm not sure if there are more cheaters around at that time, but it certainly seems like it. The worse case scenario is the one that I have been suspicious of, and that's where the dev's group you up against cheaters.

The reason why I'm suspicious of this is because it happened to me in another game. At least then the dev's actually admitted it, (through in-game message), so it wasn't that bad a thing. But if it's happening in this game and without getting any kind of notice that it's happening, it just makes players frustrated. And in my case, playing the game less or even outright stopping for long periods of time. (And this includes not paying or wanting to pay for anything associated with the game). Which basically leaves only the cheaters, casuals and/or people who can tolerate this kind of things during long periods of time. And in the long run, this just makes the problem even worse. Not better.

So I really hope that's not the case, because the gameplay itself is in Apex is good. Both technically and otherwise. And that would be a waste of a good game.

The devs admitted it? What do you mean? I've had suspicions that lobbies separate likely cheaters from non-cheaters, unless there aren't enough players to do so which leads to my being tossed to the cronus wolves. Interesting to see someone else has this theory. My games are quite fun when I get a lobby of fair players. Often times the top squads may have the odd aimbot, but I do enjoy the skill-based competition up until then. Nice to meet you, by the way! Happy to hear there are still people like me playing and holding out for positive change.

What’s your current take on matchmaking (pubs)?

I know you said its “worse” now— what does that mean for you?

What would “good” matchmaking look like for you right now, versus what you’re experiencing?

@Axs5626Sxa5001"Good" used to be about getting 1 to 3 kills every 2nd or 3rd game with a 4 or 5 kill game every 10th or so and a win every 20th game or so. When I quit playing BR modes about 2 months ago, the better games (3+ kills) stopped happening and I would go hours getting no kills and minimal damage, dying almost immediately in the first fight I got into. Every enemy seemed like part of a 3 stack of murder bots that never missed and anticipated my every move while my teammates were literally brain dead.

@keep-it-real-aim 

Like I said. It was a different game than Apex, but the result was the same. I've seen similar things happening here, but some of them might just be ones that got flagged of possible cheating. Like the ones where you end up with your team with no enemy in sight. That has happened a few times now. Like in those mixtape matches. Like when your playing a team deathmatch and at some point you find out that there's no enemy to be seen anywhere. You just run around the area trying to find any member of the opposing team. Or like in one case, run around the arena to find few of them standing still.

All in all, Apex devs haven't admitted anything like this, but it seems like it's happening more times than is enough to enjoy this game. Which makes it hard for me to know if I really suck at this game or if there's just so many cheaters in this game.

PS. As you can see, my reply is a _little_ late, because I'm taking a break at this game. The game just frustrates me more than I'm enjoying it.

I'm 6 games into the new Season 21 and I can already tell matchmaking is back to ridiculous mode.  I'm having 10 minute queues and when I finally get into a game, it's nothing but ranked pred stacks vs my 2 man with a random who leaves immediately.  The Communists are attempting equality of outcome again.

When 23 kills is not enough to win TDM anymore.

🤕😐 Apparently I have to try harder.