Here’s the most awaited blog post about matchmaking https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/matchmaking-2023

@Cheese9ManI stopped making comments on this forum because the matchmaking data I was sharing wasn’t cared for by the majority of the forum community— but I feel inclined to comment here on this matter:1) HUGE props to Respawn for even having a convo on matchmaking. Like seriously, I respect this so much. Lack of communication is a literal middle finger to the community, so this is appropriate and appreciated.2) Parts of this are— unfortunately, disingenuous.What parts? These:“We don’t purposefully put you in harder matches to slow you down if you’re winning a lot, nor do we intentionally put you in easier matches because you’re on a losing streak.”By designing their “dynamic matchmaking rating system” that is LITERALLY EXACTLY what they do. They 100% punish people for doing well, even in one single game. The algorithm reads your 3 kill 1st place win and the next game you are playing with people significantly above your skill level. Next disingenuous statement:“Either way, this is the system accounting for your recent changes in skill. This process tends to be slow, so you should only feel these changes from long streaks.”This is true for many accounts but definitely not for all. I have literally studied this across 20+ accounts and shared my findings (something I’m sure Respawn wasn’t betting on) and the results prove this to be untrue.Accounts with a lot of data that show that a player is above average do NOT have slow mobility down the matchmaking ladder. Win a game with just 2 kills and above 50% placement and the next match is right back to the top of the MMR ladder. I’ve literally tested this almost every single day for the past 2 years so I am going to need a PhD level argument/rationale to convince me otherwise.I guess I’m happier that they are addressing MM, but tightening of matchmaking in pubs for no reward is an ABSOLUTELY bad thing. People need to be rewarded for their proficiency, EVEN IN PUBS.Tighter matchmaking means more people playing their doppelgänger team at any given time, which results in outcomes being more similar for people, regardless of skill.Players who are more proficient should have better outcomes (wins, etc) in pubs. I’ll say that again: Preds (by virtue of their proficiency) deserve to beat players of my skill level in pubs. Similarly, Diamond-level players should have better outcomes than gold-level players.Tighter matchmaking and everyone breaking even feels super forced, curated, and exhausting.But the needs of the many outweigh what’s actually fair. So it is what it is. We should probably just commit fully at this point and have a system that does in-game adjustments for players performing too well or too poorly. So players on a hot streak should have their bullet damage decreased and their movement slowed slightly. We need to push for a system that results in uniform outcomes for all players.

@HappyHourSumwur Agreed. Seems broken on a fundamental level. Either that, or the pros have figured out a way to game the system.MM is broken both in BR and in Mixtape modes.Not even joking, keep having games where the MM puts a bunch of randoms together who can't even get more than 500 damage each against two full stacks of clubs. Games are going back to 50-10 blowouts again.Same with BR, where I get matched with TimTheTTVGawd0057Wraith who has more kills than I have damage on my entire account. Good stuff.

What i’m taking away from the article is that cradling lower skilled players to the detriment of higher skilled players is all that presently matters if not in a premade.Also, no concrete dates have been mentioned other than “early 2023” which means nothing when so many broken promises seems to be a reoccurrence with Respawn.

@Cro_PitttThat’s also how i’m reading it, which means if I perform well, i’ll be matched against preds, all the while having two ball in chain teammates.How did they think this would be a winning formula is beyond me, maybe because they assume everyone would play as a premade? Give me solos pls 🤣

The official Matchmaking blog post

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r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@hayhor "some unusual Pairings" is a bit of an understatement, its not some, its everytime. and i thought they tested the stuff in one region and it worked fine ? Maybe that wasnt a good test region to begin with ...
dougieee
3 years ago
I would be flattered if my 1.5kd and silver rank has somehow skill matched to 4 pred lobbies on the trot (last night) but the much more logical conclusion is that respawn have completely borked it, i mean * it up as badly as they possibly could becuase out of seven matches in total champion squad was not less than full diamond, if respawn think that is in ANY way fair to lower rank players they can literally insert this game (sans lube) where the sun doesnt shine
*EDIT* They DEFINITELY can, just been greased by pred no 2, 6, and 10 champ squad. I hope it gives them a massive sense of achievement beaming bronzes!
12 games now and 10 have been pred squads, christ i didnt see this many when i was diamond, why is nobody else kicking off about this absolute farce??????
meece
3 years ago
The ranked point system never made sense especially with regular resets - except to give top players a few weeks of chill as they farm lobby's, but using a skill based matching system within their 'ranked' points system just makes the joke of it even more obvious.
"Mr Respawn, I'm gold but I'm being put in lobby's with preds!! ☹️"
"Well, we calculated you're ok to fight preds"
"But Mr Respawn, I'm only gold?"
"YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO FIGHT PREDS"
"But Mr Respawn, if I'm good enough to fight preds, why am I gold, not pred?"
"Because our calculation is more accurate than our tank points? I guess? Maybe?!?"
"So... are ranked points worth anything?
"...to give you a sense of progression and achievement?"
Gabrielmojo26
3 years ago
For what it’s worth, i’m Gold 2 at the moment, played for 3 hrs since the rank split, and have won a few games in said 3 hrs. Matched with very similar teammates, and on par enemy squads.
It would be helpful if you guys shared which server you’re playing on. I’m in Canada, play on the NY server, and occasionally on the Dallas server.
I honestly can’t complain about the MM, it’s been good to me so far.
ole_b13
3 years ago
I put it another post yesterday about the fact that I am in silver 2/1 and died to a team that had a diamond and 27th ranked pred who went on to win. Literally just happened to me again. Me and my fellow silver, random team mates got rolled by a 655 Pred and diamond 1. They also had a gold 4 but that is reasonable. Only one rank difference so that’s not an issue. However, why have I not once had a team mate that was higher than me yet several games I’ve been killed by plats and diamonds in the last 2 days? Also I’m in England so playing on London/EU servers.
It does make you wonder why they are willing to sacrifice people’s enjoyment of a game when that is supposed to be what it’s all about.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@dougieee Are you Europe? Did you see what I posted?
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26 You aren't on EU. Try that once 🤣
dougieee
3 years ago
@hayhorIm in UK so nearest server to me. Its beyond a joke now, the preds must be laughing their * off, 3 of the top ten players in the entire world beaming on bronze and silver........ my "skill" level does NOTHING to suggest i should be playing anyone higher than plat or diamond respawn have absolutely tanked match making, its like a sick joke.
I literally cannot express my disbelief at how bad it is.

Oh if anyone thinks im not at all being truthful please feel free to look up my games (same in game nick).
*edit* I really do think respawn need to open a dialogue here and actually admit what a catastrophic mistake they have made, EU ranked is trash, they have borked it worse than anything they have ever messed up before. I will NOT be there guinea pig and bleed ranks, its not a slight mistake, its not a small error, its a stinker.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@dougieee I don't think anyone thinks you are lying. There are countless examples from others on here and on reddit.

My suggestion- If you want to play ranked while they run this experiment I highly suggest connecting to New York servers.
rdm_rollin
3 years ago
Respawn made some bad choices over the time. But this one takes the cake!

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