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Rising Novice

3 months ago

Unpopular Opinion

If someone is new to Apex and learning basic fight skills such as aim, movement, position or any other factor i left out I hear all the time "PUSH AS MANY FIGHTS AS YOU CAN". HisWattson made a video ...

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reconzero

Seasoned Ace

3 months ago

All streamers say the same thing: push everything, that's how you git gud. And I will back your unpopular opinion by saying also that they are wrong. They might be right for a very specific kind of player - a player like themselves who is already preternaturally good at shooters in general and who is on a one-way grind to predator. But that's less than 1% of players. Normal people like us? The cynic in me says that streamers say "drop hot always and push fights to learn" in order to have idiots to shoot at when they're mowing down silver lobbies on their latest secondary.

But whoever learned anything by smashing their head against a brick wall? No, gun mechanics are not the first thing to learn in battle royale, and when it IS time to learn them then you find a way that doesn't involve just giving over thousands of free kills to streamers, pros, and cheaters. And yes, I'm lumping all three in as one, not making a list.

The problem, of course, with "never push a bad fight - ever" is that most new players couldn't tell a good fight from a bad one. Heck, most normal, average, EXPERIENCED players struggle with this. I may not be able to hit the broad side of a barn with an automatic in this game, but I know EXACTLY where to drop, when to move, where to go, how to get there unmolested, AND when to avoid a fight and when to take one. If only gun mechanics were as easy as everything else. If only most normal players understood that this game is a lot more than just gun mechanics.

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Seasoned Ace

2 months ago

The major difference pros/streamers vs regular people:

streamers and more so pros can actually do 1v3 2v3 for sure in most cases vs regular people, they are just that better than even higher ranked players brain and mechanics and experience wise
matchmaking in current state for seasons now have put in the same lobby people that are too different skill level = if you are not top squad or there about you can't push fights as people will be just that much better and destroy you. Pushing might have worked a 10 seasons ago but now not really unless you have tracker or something that tells you what is your lobby and you can assume fast which team is better than you or which is worse and is pushable
Pushing involves teamwork which is possible only in 3stack, pushing with randoms is a coinflip - they might do too few damage, they might back out without saying anything, they might and probably will heal as soon as they take damage vs holding pressure etc.

So people with brain should not follow streamers or even pros (actively) - game for us is totally different than game for them.

And then you on your own have to figure out why you die the most/on regular basis - poor rotation, too much risk taking, not playing with a team, poor mechanics => improve the worst ASAP, repeat the process.

e.g. for me I can outsmart very highly ranked players (ones that do not use radars / wallhacks) and can read the game very well so for me in Diamond+ lobbies my weakness (which still is ways above say gold player) is mechanics -> so I aimtrain basically exclusively vs looking at meta, rotations or some strategies from pros.

p.s. still if you don't have 3stack your life will be miserable in this or basically atm any other game - 3 games into Deadlock: first hacker, 0 teamwork from 5 other players, just W and farm damage. Gaming community is just sad besides that part that has active teams because people play team games 1:1 as they do single player games...not sure why they do come online AND in competitive game scene.