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@W3stminst3rRespawn does NOT want to talk to the general public. In fact, they are scared of most of their player base because a few toxic @$$holes threatened the devs a few years back. Their community outreach is talking to a few pros and streamers and then doing what they want.
For a perpetual service model game, their lack of community relations is neglect. Huge reason why the game is in the sorry state it is in right now, IMO.
@reconzero Probably just needs to be replaced. They've jammed so much crap into this 10 year old engine that it is falling apart. Personally, I'd pay for Apex on a new engine if it meant better performance.
- ComicBookGuy272711 months agoSeasoned Ace
I mean heh, If rEAspawn thinks that the few pros and streamers are the best ones to listen too and get all their info from - which maybe they believe in turn will maximize profits and increase player base - I say, have at her.
Good luck, seems to be working brilliant so far.
- MrGreenWithAGun11 months agoNew Ace
There is an argument to be made why talking to pros is good feedback for any game. They know more about the game mechanics and map design than the average person. Like it or not this is more true than not.
i am not trying to excuse any exclusivity but pointing out an important point.
when I was building maps for Halo I came to learn the best source of feedback was from the highest level of players. Not only did they know more, they thought it out so well they could clearly articulate what they thought.
- reconzero11 months agoSeasoned Ace@MrGreenWithAGun
"when I was building maps for Halo I came to learn the best source of feedback was from the highest level of players. Not only did they know more, they thought it out so well they could clearly articulate what they thought."
That was never my experience. Most of them could not articulate at all why they thought something should be a certain way or not a certain way. And the vast majority of them would offer small advice here and a little critique there, and ever so gently dance around the plain fact that almost all of them preferred symmetrical arena-style maps as being the only possible configuration for "serious competition." So even if the project in question was asymmetrical, and possibly even foremost an aesthetic exercise, many of them would pick a corner of the map and say, "Why don't you just make the other three quarters the same as this?"
In the end I would look very, very carefully at the forge maps that made it into regular rotation and realize in mere seconds that these were nothing like the maps I envisioned and wanted to build or play on. I could get even uglier but that would be petty. Suffice to say that in many years of forge mode in both 4 and 5 I saw a handful of user-created maps that made me jealous. But only a handful. Most were the kind of project where I could eat a pile of primitives and puke a better map. Okay, that was the pettiness I was trying to avoid. I guess a better way of saying it is that one man's castle is another man's hovel. Yeah, that's more polite.
So no, I don't really take the pro's opinions to heart. Yes, they know more about how things work in high-level, high-speed, high-stakes play. But in many ways I think that makes them less attuned to what a normal player experiences, and certainly less attuned to what a normal player wants. Imo.- MrGreenWithAGun11 months agoNew Ace@reconzero : And the vast majority of them would offer small advice here and a little critique there, and ever so gently dance around the plain fact that almost all of them preferred symmetrical arena-style maps as being the only possible configuration for "serious competition."
I can tell you symmetrical maps are the only real choice for competitive matches unless you are playing an asymmetrical game type, like one flag. Think of basket ball (full symmetry) and base ball (full asymmetry).
I dont know who was in your circle, but I kept myself hanging around with some of the best (not pros).
- ComicBookGuy272711 months agoSeasoned Ace
I don't want to speak for any pros, but, many have proven their advice comes from self preservation, and what is best for them and not all.
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