The game has become impossible to play as it sttuters even on champion screem. I skip frames in fights. Cant even play arenas.I am on origin. I repaired the game with lastest nvidia drivers.Season 9 has been bad and this update made it even worse.I tried adding and remove frame rate limiter via launch paramters and its still terrible.My ConfigIntel i5-7300HQ Processor, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, 8GB RAM.Please help

this is ridiculous. how does this bug always come back? i literally cannot run the game past the startup screen because my cpu and gpu instantly get pushed to 100%.No my hardware isnt broken at all, yes all my drivers are up to date, yes my pc is perfectly capable of running this game at max settings, yes apex is the only game where i have ever had this problem.ive tried everything, the best i can get is firing range with 10 seconds lag spikes constantly.

@EA_Illium Regardless of the FPS cap I choose, I keep on getting +90% CPU usage ever since this patch, causing the game to stutter and crash after character selection screen.I'm running on Windows 10 LTSC thro Steam, on a i7-2600k. I have not had these issues before this patch, I have streams that show this as proof. I'm not the only one experiencing this, even console players are experiencing worse performance. And not even that, the above 190fps bug that has been a thing since the launch of this game also wasn't fixed, even though the developers mentioned it should be.

This !@#$ again... Last time I fixed this by:1.) Uninstalling the game2.) Wait 3 months3.) Check forums for community provided solution4.) Game fixed.I'm so glad I don't pay for this game... I feel sorry for all the folks that have invested actual $$ into it and get this experience as a result..Stay strong salty my brothers and sisters... see you in 3 months.

@SpectreFang alright i haven't tried one thing out and it was changing the affinity of the game launchers themselves......so open origin/steamopen up task managerclick on origin/steam then click on go to detailsright click on origin/steamclick on affinityso here according to how many cpu cores you have you should uncheck <all proccessors> and then check cpu 0 and the highest cpu you have (mine was 7)i really hope it works for you guys too have a great day/night

Long post warning.Just like everyone else here, I've been investigating the CPU and stuttering issues with these last couple of seasons that never existed before with Apex. I've discovered several different things that Apex is doing now that it didn't do in the past seasons. Some are related to the CPU issues y'all are having and others are just other problems that are not directly related, but will pile up and make all your problems worse. I'll detail the issues below, but for just the CPU issue, the main problem is that Apex is not multithreading CPU evenly across all cores like it did in the past. I own my own IT Engineering business, so I treated this problem like any other problem customers pay us to fix.#1 CPU Issue:The high CPU issue mainly happens when you are capable of high FPS (+180) and you have a less powerful CPU whether that is less GHz or less than 8 cores. You should be able to run Apex fine like in the past, but what happens is that if you look at all your cores while running the game, you will see one core is at 100%. On my son's i9-9900KS, it is his 2nd core. All other cores are sleeping at less than 25%. He has a 2080ti, so easily does 240FPS, but if he looks at certain parts in the firing range, or during intense fights, that 2nd core goes from around 50% to 100%. When the core hits 100%, his FPS drops as low as 180+. As soon as the core goes below 100% (even like 95%), his FPS goes back to a solid 240FPS. Since the rest of his specs are also top of the line, he doesn't feel any stuttering in game. He has dual PC for streaming though, and every time that core hits 100%, his stream stutters. What I did to fix that is I set the affinity for the NDI ScreenCaptureHX software/process from "all cores" to "all cores except the 2nd core". Now the capture software on his gaming PC runs happily and doesn't get affected constantly every time the 2nd core hits 100%. People with high FPS GPUs, but lesser CPUs than a i9-9900KS will have higher than 50% usage on that one core, so in turn will more easily hit the 100%. With like a 4-6 core CPU, I would imagine your base would almost be 100% for that core and doing anything in the game would just blast it at 100% constantly which would dip it a lot more than the 180+ FPS minimum he gets. With lower FPS cards, your problem gets "better". My PC has a good 4/8 core CPU (i7-4790k) at 4GHz. If I had his 2080ti, my CPU would've melted down already because of the Apex CPU core issue. I could probably only get 100FPS out of the 2080ti, and the game would feel like crap. "Fortunately" or not, I have a GTX 760SC which only does about 75 FPS in Apex. This is not enough FPS to "stress" my less capable CPU versus his i9-9900KS, so the one core sits at around 70% max no matter what I do in game. My initial "band-aid" for his stuttering stream problem after discovering the non-optimized process was to limit his FPS to 144. That "worked" by keeping that 2nd core at a max of about 70%, but he did not like that because he could really "feel" the missing 100 FPS. The final band-aid of moving the capture software/process off of the 2nd "hot" core keeps it from stuttering the stream and keeps him happy at 240FPS. In summary, if you have a powerful CPU and a dinky GPU (less than 100FPS) like me, you probably won't have any issues. If you are backwards and have a powerful GPU (+200FPS), but a dinky CPU, the "Apex CPU Bug" will be bad for you. Unfortunately, since spreading processes across cores (multithreading) is handled by Windows depending on how the software/process tells it too, there is nothing we can do to fully solve the problem until Apex Dev correctly code Apex to fully or at least more evenly spread workload across all CPU cores. Once they do that, Windows will happily obey and spread it across all the cores it is allowed to. Obviously, in the last couple of seasons since around Genesis, Apex Dev has changed and messed up that part.#2 Memory Issue leading to disk usage:As I said initially, this is an unrelated issue, but if you also have this, then adding the CPU issue on top of it will be rough. What I discovered here is that when you load up Apex, it loads a huge amount of the game in system memory (not GPU memory) from your hard disk (see #3 also). On the different systems I tested, it always added up to about 6GB-7GB of memory. This is a lot more than what Apex used in the past. This is total committed memory and not just the working memory. To see this you need to use something like process explorer or even the built-in resource monitor. You will see that Apex usually uses 1GB-3GB of working memory (what you see when you just look at task manager). Since it actually commits/reserves 6GB-7GB, then everybody who only has 8GB in their PC gets screwed (I was one of them and upgraded to 16GB). It wasn't necessary before, but now is, bottom-line. When I just had 8GB of system memory, while digging into the CPU issue, I noticed that Windows was running the page file hard in the 2GB+ range, constantly swapping Apex data back and forth from my SSD to system memory since I was truly out of 8GB of memory. I couldn't believe it, but when I dug into the offending process, it was Apex. Then I saw how much Apex was reserving and it made all the numbers true. Obviously, programs and games have to load used parts into memory, but Apex looks like it loads EVERYTHING into memory at start. To not have this issue, move to 16GB. They might be doing this at Apex startup to avoid long read times from people who have mechanical/spinning hard disks versus SSDs. This would be an issue since you would still be reading map data and other things while already in the lobby and queuing into a match. Starting a match without having read all the data to system memory from your hard disk would suck. Your GPU would not have enough data yet to begin modeling your world.#3 Disk usage even with 16GB and up:As I started to explain in #2, Apex loads EVERYTHING to system memory when you first start the game. You need more than 8GB of system memory to be able to fit it all and not swap. The problem with reading those 4GB-5GB of data off your hard disk is that it takes time. We are not talking about some word document or even a 500MB video. From my testing, Apex takes about 1 minute on a good SSD at about 200MB/s. On a really fast PCIe SSD it takes about 30 seconds at around 400MB/s. I don't have a fast PC using an old spinning/mechanical hard disk, but they are so slow compared to an SSD, I could only guess it would take at least 4-5 minutes for Apex to finish loading all the behind the scenes data needed by the time you start a match. You can easily see this by starting Apex while having your Task Manager open on the first tab/processes. Sort by the disk column and you will see that the Apex process uses a huge amount of disk for a long time relative to the speed of your hard disk. If you still have an old spinning disk, you will suffer pain greatly. Upgrade to an SSD and avoid at least this #3 pain. There are several good SSDs out there, Intel, Samsung, Micron, etc., but even the cheapest $20, no name, flea market SSD is 20 times faster than your old tech spinning disk. Lifespan might be an issue with the cheap stuff, but for $50+ you can get a very reliable brand. An SSD will cut down the Apex loading time to 1 minute, which will make your Apex gaming experience so much better. Still loading Apex 4-5 minutes after start, and 2 minutes into your first match still will suck from a graphics, FPS, and lag point of view.Sorry for the long post, but I spent a lot of time diagnosing this CPU issue that never existed before in Apex and caught us all off guard. Along the way I discovered a few other things not directly related that will add to your headaches also. This is not an exhaustive list. Some people will have totally different types of issues if the health of their PC and/or Windows is not the best. If y'all are having issues similar to the ones I discovered, then raise your hand to Respawn so that they get pressured by this and continue to make these issues a Dev priority. I've seen some of the Dev things and they "supposedly" do have this as one of their action items they are working on. Not sure why it has been more than 2 months, but it is what it is. If you need help, reach out and I'll do what I can to get you band-aided meanwhile.

Stuttering issues after genesis update

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IMightKickAss
4 years ago
@Redmattgame wrote:
Likewise,I've worked my way through a fair amount of shooters & struggle to see a shooter that rivals Apex (or at least an Apex game that isn't affected with bug/performance issues).I tried Hyper-Scape several times & it just feels very buggy,not a very smooth game to play & yes some of special powers are pretty cool but the weapons just feel lacklustre.Fortnite feels like a very stale Rogame merely being propped up the skins/characters they offer,it used to be a fun game to play but last few seasons it feels pretty awful game to play now.The game just feels like it is loaded with bots because it doesn't have the player base it had.(& players drop off at an alarming rate during the game).Hunt Showdown is pretty good but is a duo based game & is a real struggle played as a solo.Rogue Company isn't too bad but feels underwhelming (particularly the characters) compared to Apex.I loved the first Overwatch game & personally feel the second game can't come out soon enough.I've never played Valorant but feel kind of put off by it whenever I've seen it being played on GINXeSportstv(channel 433 on Sky).
It's funny how a lot of people feel so alike.
I was pretty interested in Valorant and got a key for the closed beta, but ended looking at one of their Twitch teasing and was like "a bad Counterstrike with powers" (I did not know Overwatch at the time).
Rogue company pretty much hyped me with their trailers, but it ended being overwhelming, it felt like an average CS with powers, but good ideas and not so much interest to use this since finally mostly only aim count... It also felt clumsy, not easily accessed and dull in action.
Overwatch has more personality and impact, but now that I know Apex, I think it is quite superior on the movement/gameplay side.
Hyperscape I did not try but it was said to me it was "generic".
There's also the Cycle?
But we gotta hope Respawn get it right after all...
Redmattgame
4 years ago
@IMightKickAss I've my fingers crossed as well Respawn can sort out the gaming issues for the start of Season 10 because I've no doubt a lot will be riding on it.

I feel two of the key aspects of retaining interest in many of these multiplayer games is in the matchmaking level of these games & how quickly a game can allow you to adapt & develop in the game.From what I here about Valorant is that it they already have a core of high level players & for newbie players they can often be thrown in the deep end & pitted against them giving those new players very little option other than picking up the game quickly or quit the game.Likewise with Apex & it's problematic matchmaking levels that has seen quite a few of my friends quit the game through constant unbalaced matchmaking.I've always considered a seasoned Apex player (I have been playing the game since season 1) a decent player with a decent kill record with my two main characters Pathfinder (2132 kills) & Revenant (2054 kills) I'm certainly not at Pro or Predator levelsl but my games tend to be mainly filled by Predator teams & players with over 20k kills.When I first got my nephew into playing Apex on his PS5 within a first few games he found himself playing against enemies with over 5k kills & I'd ask where is the fairness in that or even an incentive to keep playing the game.Trying to balance out the matchmaking in games like Apex maybe a very complex issue that very little progress (if any) has been made but one possible solution I previously mentioned would be to have Duo/Trio's mode for solo players only & a separate Duo/Trio's mode for teams only.
xiopiyeotl
4 years ago
who we can ping here or doo smth? Devs stoped writing about it
oWoozYo
4 years ago
Well Titanfall 1, Titanfall 2, and apex are all down for me right now. Titanfall 2 was working for me up until yesterday now I get kicked from every game due to hackers. Just can't believe the * that's going on right now. I'm mostly pressed about apex but the fact that I can't even play tf2 is sad :/
Snowe_asuka
4 years ago
@NoJamBros21 wrote:
When are they gonna fix this? do we have to wait until Season 10 for this issue to be fixed?
Respawn mostly hotfixes an issue on the next update so if the next update is Season 10, then we got no choice but to play on 100% cpu just to rank up or stay on gold. winkwink
Redmattgame
4 years ago
I suspect with literally two weeks until season 10 there won't be any patch fixes for season 9 other than a few empty words & a few 'investigations'..I pity the players trying to grind out completion of the Battle-Pass with the performance hindrances to contend with on a regular basis.What season 9 taught me if anything is to never buy a Battle-Pass at the start of a season but instead wait until a least half-way through & evaluate my current level & whether completing the Bttle-Pass is achievable without becoming a slog/chore or even with the knowledge that the game maybe unplayable again.
NoJamBros21
4 years ago
@Snowe_asuka the hotfix for the issue is coming very soon according to EA Help, here's what they say: https://twitter.com/EAHelp/status/1416669234264895491
illnastyone
4 years ago
@NoJamBros21It doesnt seem like EA Help is speaking about the same issue. I just forced my way through a few matches to get that Rampart skin and quit immediately because I almost threw up my lunch with how bad the freezing and stuttering is.

Also it IS NOT A CONNECTION ISSUE. This is on their end as we have come to the conclusion time and time again. So that tweet is not speaking on this issue. It is an optimization issue due to load in times and how processing times work.
EDIT: Some folks have said a fast SSD has helped them with this issue, others say it hasn't. Still the only solution I have found is to play on a current gen console ( Series S or X) which shouldn't be the only solution but sadly is at the moment.
Redmattgame
4 years ago
@illnastyone I tried grinding out about 6 games on Arenas to get a few of the Thrillseekers awards & the constant stuttering & freezing was an absolute disgrace.The freezing mainly occurred when firing at an enemy who is literally metres away then no hit damage recognition occurs then the game unfreezes with the enemy having dropped me or disappeared out of sight to reheal.The performance issues make playing the game turn into some sort of handicap mode giving the enemy clear advantage.Of the 6 games I played in Arenas 3 x 3 three of the matches I had to play as a duo against a trio of enemies which for me should never be allowed to happen in that mode.The game should wait until the teams are properly filled & not start on some rigid/inflexible timeline.

I do wonder if in season 10 we will get to a next gen upgrade.for the PS5 & Xbox.through.
illnastyone
4 years ago
@Redmattgame yea it has been rough man. I really wanted Ramparts skins but it was so tough to even play due to the non stop stutters even in Areans now, which it never used to be an issue. It almost seems like the more they patch the game the more it breaks for us last gen folks.

I havent had the disappearing enemies yet, but my friend took video of it happening to him and he is on Xbox One X. Which is still a dated console, but it should be optimized for us regardless. I really miss season zero at this point.

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