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4 years ago

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-EA...if you want money pls make a game same as BF4...but EXACTLY the same

please make game same as BF4 but with just little better graphics (bf4 has great graphics but anyway) and new maps and just remove zouzou jump...thats all! Same gameplay same battlelog same destruc...

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CyberDyme
4 years ago
Very true @BaronVonGoon ,
BFStats.com was really very very good back in the days, not just for the live player population tracking for the games. But also for the servers, our soldiers and especially all the insights on weapon and vehicle statistics!
On the Battlefield group on Reddit we together extracted all the detailed data on previous BF games around 1 year into after the launch of BF1, as we started to wonder if it was really dropping faster versus previous BF games or not. And here below are the stats on BF4, BFHL and BF1 from back then (sorry, i do not have anymore the link to the Reddit discussion we had on this, but you might be able to search/find it again).
After BF1 had dropped below the BF4 player population on 3 consecutive months, then EA pulled the plug on the BF API component, so no 3rd parties anymore could track or report on true live game data and active player populations across the BF games across all platforms. And that was effectively the end of BFStats.com.
Some interesting observations are:
BF4 ramp-up suffered seriously in the first months at launch on Playstation, as you may remember that it was simply not possible to buy any PS4 the first many months there. A bit the same situation we can say we have today with PS5, where demand is much higher than product availability.
Consoles represent by far the biggest player population for the BF games.
PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game. Market research points to also that PC BF players are in average much younger than the BF players on console. AND, that they in average have many more games installed and in which they play at same time on a weekly basis. Which maybe explains they are more teased quicker to move on to other entertainments.
There are probably more reasons why BF1 faded out so relatively fast versus the longer lasting and older BF4. But its not all just due to the older WW setting and weapons/vehicles in the game. The BFHardLine game faded even faster despite the contemporary setting and modern weapons. But one can argue that it was not even a proper BF game, due to the nature of that game.
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Both the BF1 and especially the BFV game have picture perfect scenery and also the game mechanics in the final updated BFV game are probably the best we have had across all BF games. Just logging on and going to one of the historic battlefield scenes is a joy for the eye. But it obviously takes more to attract the players and keep them coming back for more of the real BF gaming.

CyberDyme

4 years ago

Very true @BaronVonGoon ,

BFStats.com was really very very good back in the days, not just for the live player population tracking for the games. But also for the servers, our soldiers and especially all the insights on weapon and vehicle statistics!

On the Battlefield group on Reddit we together extracted all the detailed data on previous BF games around 1 year into after the launch of BF1, as we started to wonder if it was really dropping faster versus previous BF games or not. And here below are the stats on BF4, BFHL and BF1 from back then (sorry, i do not have anymore the link to the Reddit discussion we had on this, but you might be able to search/find it again).

After BF1 had dropped below the BF4 player population on 3 consecutive months, then EA pulled the plug on the BF API component, so no 3rd parties anymore could track or report on true live game data and active player populations across the BF games across all platforms. And that was effectively the end of BFStats.com.

Some interesting observations are:

BF4 ramp-up suffered seriously in the first months at launch on Playstation, as you may remember that it was simply not possible to buy any PS4 the first many months there. A bit the same situation we can say we have today with PS5, where demand is much higher than product availability.

Consoles represent by far the biggest player population for the BF games.

PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game. Market research points to also that PC BF players are in average much younger than the BF players on console. AND, that they in average have many more games installed and in which they play at same time on a weekly basis. Which maybe explains they are more teased quicker to move on to other entertainments.

There are probably more reasons why BF1 faded out so relatively fast versus the longer lasting and older BF4. But its not all just due to the older WW setting and weapons/vehicles in the game. The BFHardLine game faded even faster despite the contemporary setting and modern weapons. But one can argue that it was not even a proper BF game, due to the nature of that game.

Both the BF1 and especially the BFV game have picture perfect scenery and also the game mechanics in the final updated BFV game are probably the best we have had across all BF games. Just logging on and going to one of the historic battlefield scenes is a joy for the eye. But it obviously takes more to attract the players and keep them coming back for more of the real BF gaming.

ragnarok013

Hero+

4 years ago

@CyberDyme wrote:PC players tend to have significant shorter term loyalty to a game.

@CyberDyme As a PC/Xbox/Playstation gamer I have issue with this assertion. Try playing older Battlefields years after end of life on console and it's a ghost town. Do it on PC and you can still find active servers of BF1942, BF2, BC2, BF3, BF4 on PC approaching 20 years later. I literally played Quake II online for 20 years with big player populations. PC players seem to have far greater loyalty towards games they like despite having large libraries of games probably because we can't trade them into Gamestop so we own and play them forever. I still have my Quake, Quake II, Battlefield 2 CDs a few feet from my PC.

I also think that current gen consoles will have this happen moving forward due to backwards compatibility becoming a thing on consoles and the console player base increasingly making digital purchases which means they can no longer trade their game discs into Gamestop a couple of months after the game's launch towards purchasing the next big AAA game.

Its_Travis_199
Hero+
4 years ago
One thing that also affects that console players might not play older BFs that much anymore compared to PC players is the case that with a new console most of us move forward and at some point leave the old games behind then as most get ris of old consoles too.

Greets,

Travis
- ragnarok013
  Hero+
  4 years ago
  @Its_Travis_199 wrote:
  
  One thing that also affects that console players might not play older BFs that much anymore compared to PC players is the case that with a new console most of us move forward and at some point leave the old games behind then as most get ris of old consoles too.
  
  Greets,
  
  Travis
  
  @Its_Travis_199 that's why I mentioned console backwards compatibility. In fact you and I were talking about older consoles today!
  - Its_Travis_199
    Hero+
    4 years ago
    @ragnarok013 yeah, gotcha.
    
    I just mentioned again as some people still keep their old consoles for the older game to drop in now and then. You should know best 😉
    
    Greets,
    
    Travis
ChugKendall
4 years ago
@ragnarok013 PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
- ragnarok013
  Hero+
  4 years ago
  @ChugKendall wrote:
  @ragnarok013 PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
  
  @ChugKendall the graphic was excellent - so excellent that I saved it. The PC crowd may have the highest difference in peak player count between launch and 8 months later but it has the longest sustained population. I played Battlefield on every available platform for each title until BF5 then I stuck solely with PC due to the live service so I've experienced this phenomenon personally.
  - ChugKendall
    4 years ago
    @ragnarok013 I don't doubt your knowledge of PC play longevity. Personally, I don't usually go back to an older shooter game, but I have done that recently, with BF4. I'm going to try BFV again, next.
- CyberDyme
  4 years ago
  @ChugKendall wrote:
  @ragnarok013PC games, overall, may have a longer lifespan (don't know, haven't seen any official stats), but the graphic that @CyberDyme posted showed that PC players had the biggest drop-off, after 8 months, with the latest Battlefield releases--moreso than Xbox or PS. Not sure how that stacks up with non-BF games, but with BF games the PC population tends to move on much quicker--if the stats he posted are indeed accurate.
  It is always hard with numbers, to validate their true meaning and root causes behind any trends we might observe from them. Now as we do not have the BF API working anymore, its even more challenging to pull out numbers which we might all agree to is the 'picture of the truth' so to speak.
  A hard part is also that our own personal understanding or what we thought was the case, is maybe not so when looking at the factual data from a different angle. Personally I am not emotionally engaged one way or the other with these numbers, but simply just trying to understand what we can learn from them.
  And its not about how we personally look at any game being better than another. That is not the reason I shared the BFStats here with you. It is to understand what the larger world market for game software looks like and what the world population of consumers cares about, why and for how long. The business fundamentals for that market. I am personally vested in it for making money, if money can be made from it...
  But personally in my spare time I still love the old BF3 and BF4 games. The PS3 platform integrity though is no longer supported by Sony (so jail-breaking of the console opens up for cheats) and EA only have few servers running, so limited game options there. Likewise with BF4, I personally really love that gameplay, mechanics and all. But truth be told, there are no more money to be made from that, so EA obviously is closing it down sooner than later. So despite its still a great game and we are thousands of players worldwide caring for it, we are left behind with no support and dwindling number of servers and players also as result.
  Now, as you just ask about the numbers, if they really are real...?
  I cant tell of course, except that is how the live numbers came out when pulled from BFStats.
  And we all despite our personal interest and differences on the Reddit BF group, all congregated on these numbers being the hard reality, no matter if we liked the numbers or not.
  And if you think PC is more sustainable than console, (think also that we nerds here on this forum, we are not 'the norm' or the average BF game consumer 😀) so how about checking the number of BF4 servers and their number of active players you have live on Battlelog then?
  Here is the PC BF4 world right now:
  Multiplayer - Battlelog / Battlefield 4
  So roughly 8 servers listed here from Global/all servers, no restrictions. And in total around 350 players.
  (sounds shockingly low to me, but its what Battlelog shows right now 18 Oct 2021, 14:24 CET)
  And here is the PS4 world right now on BF4:
  Multiplayer - Battlelog / Battlefield 4
  So roughly 30 servers with an active game, with approx. 1030 players.
  And around 25 servers with only 1-2 players hanging to start them up...
  Again sounds shocking low, but hey its Monday morning and these are the hard numbers.
  Reality for EA and their server hosting partners...
  And this is just a snapshot of current state on BF4. The numbers and the player population across the platforms also fluctuate during the day and during the weekdays. And it is this bigger picture that we need to relate to, to justify any business investment to develop such games. Not our own personal emotional attachment to one game or the other, one platform or the other. Hope you understand now that my motivation is not to skew any numbers here or promote one versus another. I care about the facts and the hard numbers of reality and how we best use that knowledge to prosper better going forward...
  - ragnarok013
    Hero+
    4 years ago
    @CyberDyme Whereas last night my PC BF4 Battlelog looked just like the BF4 console version.