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Seasoned Ace

3 years ago

3.2 feels like a new game

Among people who are whining that Lis got over-buffed, their favorite meta toys got taken away and classes, in general, being a terrible idea, I actually feel like the game is just fantastic in most regards and finally feels like good old Battlefield again. Hate or love it, classes have always been a part of this franchise, and they must continue to be. It adds a sense of balance and role to the game. It restricts stupid combinations that shouldn't be there in the first place aka Falck + heal pistol + rocket launcher. An all-in-one soldier like that ruins the balance,

And yes, it does improve team play. I've seen a good amount of engineers coming up to a tank and start repairing it. Medics are more active. And in general game just feels more alive.

There is a bigger variety of specialists in general as opposed to everyone running Falck or Macay and nothing else.

Also saw a bunch of angry WALL-Es following an enemy tank. Absolutely hilarious. Turns out they're hella tanky for a small RC toy with a blowtorch.

Vehicles

Vehicles got a good buff. There are no longer 64 rockets flying toward you whenever you peak your barrel out of cover.

The same goes for helicopters and jets. There are no more 10 angels camping on some tower with infinite ammo just shooting rockets at air vehicles.

Now I think tanks should get a little acceleration buff. Maybe 5-10% faster as right now they feel way too heavy for the pace of the game and compared to other vehicles.

Breakaway re-work

Honestly Dice, Bravo! Not only it feels like a brand-new map, it's quite literally one of the best right now. Hard to explain how it feels, but the sense of SCALE on this map is insane. The oil rig feels like it got scaled up. There is so much going on right now. So many paths and spots for people to fight in, it's amazing.

Glaciar finally went from a giant butt-crack to a fully-fledged glacier with many openings and paths to navigate within it.

This is exactly how you reproduce the scale. One wide open space with absolutely nothing in between. But rather huge real-life structures masterfully adapted for fun and engaging gameplay.

I sincerely hope Hourglass and Discarded are getting similar, if not better, treatment.

Here are some things that I think were changed too much, or didn't need a change in the first place.

-Squad revives for 25HP down from 50. Why? Medics now revive at 100%. Squad revives takes a long time, and with how action-packed this game is, reviving someone with 25% is a death sentence in most cases. I think it should go back to 50%.

-EBLC-RAM's spawn beacon spawns you on foot. I think it was a great addition for players to para drop onto enemy objectives from a well-placed beacon. Now its that removed it's a little bit worse because if there are multiple enemies, they will be looking in the general direction of where their enemies are coming from.

-C5 on Assault. Macay and Sundance are still too powerful to have C5 because you can be a solo tank hunter all day long with little to no effort and still get BIG RESULTS. That's on top of the Assault class being an absolute slaughterhouse on the battlefield.

C5 Should stay on Engineer and Recon only. Possibly Recon only.

-Extended mag nerf was too hard in some cases. I would look into this more deeply. You should consider recoil nerf, ROF penalty or something similar. SMGs with such ADS speed are practically unuseable.

Other than that, this patch is amazing. It will take some time to iron out some of the problems, but right now this BF game has earned its spot among other titles like BF4 and BF1

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34 Replies

Ironhead841
Hero
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber
It's definitely different, me and my buddies have been having a ton of fun, despite all the apoplectic predictions.
I think vehicles vs. infantry is in a pretty good place, still kind of early to really tell until we all get some more playtime in. Vehicles aren't running rampant (I am talking about 128 player Conquest BTW) but are still very effective at least from what I can tell.
Like you, I HAVE seen a bump in engineers repairing, reviving and ammo boxes being dropped.
Breakaway re-work is indeed VERY nice, so hat's off to that team!
And your list of proposals, 100% agree on each point, only thing I would add is that adding the claymores to the game with super-bright lasers was a bad idea, it is effectively making them useless.
As far as saying this game is on par with BF1 or BF4 I don't know about that, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Psubond
Legend
3 years ago
Feels different and not in a good way
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Ironhead841 Its still needs some polishing and some extras to be as engaging as 1 and 4, but I think it will get there.

Judging by how immeasurably better this game has become compared to the launch version, and with Season 4 and 5 on their way, there is a good chance Dice could pull off the impossible.

After all, they have everything they need right now. Content is already in production. Base game solid. Only a few tweaks are required here and there.

All of it can be easily fixed with the help of the community. I really hoped they learned their lesson from being a selfish bunch of devs. No matter how good you think you are, there will be individuals in the community who might now better.
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Psubond Why is that?
Psubond
Legend
3 years ago
My go to is rao and stinger. You class people whined and now thats gone. Cant use angel and soflam. That was another favorite of mine. Gone as well. Same with angel and at mines
Psubond
Legend
3 years ago
@UP_LordPlumber And they completely screwed up controls so 650+ hours of muscle memory is screwed over
UP_LordPlumber
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Psubond What's up with the controls? I've been playing and didn't feel any difference for a couple of days. Only 1 extra gadget slot.

And the exploits of using any gadget with any class is exactly what caused absolute chaos balance-wise.

Sure its cool on paper when you can pull off some combo with a class. But in reality, it introduced a whole train of balancing issues and gameplay loopholes

You fly a heli and there would be a next of Angels sitting on top of a loadout crate with infinite rocket launchers.

Play a tank and everyone would switch their gadget for M5 and you'd be dead in an instant.

That also killed any variety in the game. You said it yourself. You would be playing Angel because he had OP loadout crate, or Rao because he had that stupid hack/smack combo

Many other specialists were left out of the equation simply because they lacked any meaningful "combo setup"

Now its fixed and everyone has to play a specific role. This brings more balance and variety to the game. You can't just camp somewhere with an infinite rocket launcher all day (Unless you're Lis) and shoot passing vehicles.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
I didn't want a new game... I wanted them to keep balancing and polishing what they had.
Like I've said before, and you responded to, the Class rework wasn't needed. Specialist were classes essentially. Classes haven't added anything that couldn't be done with Specialist. I'm not a fan of the gadget limitation or the new UI either.
Air Vehicles didn't need a buff in any way. It's been the one thing that's needed balancing this entire time. Air Vehicles aren't tanks and they shouldn't behave like them. As someone who mains Infantry and Tanks, they're beyond annoying. I'm constantly having to play reactive to them the entire round, every single match. There's still NIghtbird mains dropping 80+ kills with little to no deaths. The Super Hind and Condor are near invincible. Map geometry doesn't favor Tanks at all.
Before the Patch I was in such a good mood with how everything was feeling. I kept noticing how great the movement felt, the gun play finally felt amazing, and the game was running smoothly. This patch messed with some of that. It doesn't feel the same, it might be the momentum stuff, and some of the medium length sights feel off now.
Breakaway looks great from the couple of rounds I've spent playing it. I was expecting there to be 24/7 Conquest mode to play it, or on a small rotation, but instead they went with Breakthrough for whatever reason. Not my favorite.
I've noticed the exact same amount of teamwork before, not much. If anything, I've been losing more lately for some reason. But why would it change exactly? I'm confused how you guys think restricting classes and "forcing" players to depend on each other would somehow magically create more teamwork. I mostly play competitive games (Apex, Rocket League, OW, etc), and people are frankly clueless in general. They don't know when to be aggressive, or when to defend, or have any sort of sense of what they're supposed to be doing at any given time. Even in small groups, it's pretty amazing honestly. Even at the higher levels of ranked playlist, people are generally really terrible at playing games in any coordinated fashion. Which is fine, people just want to play games, and typically they want to play it in a way that gives them the most enjoyment. As it should be. I don't play competitive games because I like that aspect, I play because I enjoy the structure and game mechanics more than anything. I'm looking forward to this extraction shooter genre getting more attention and growing.
I agree with your statements about the Tanks. They need to be a bit faster. The turret speed increase feels good, finally.
For now, I'm probably going to take a break. I've been playing Apex again because of how turned off I am by this update. Glad you guys are enjoying it, but Classes were never a part of Battlefield games that I enjoyed. I was genuinely excited for them to deviate from that system in 2042. Looking at Steamcharts the numbers haven't changed, and if they haven't seen an increase by now, I doubt they ever will. I bought the game that was advertised and that I even got to try in the Beta. Now they're catering to a group that are proclaiming classes are what makes a Battlefield game what it is. I obviously disagree completely.
edit: Forgot to mention how stupid the EOD bot is. Just please remove it. It's running on like 5 ticks, which makes it warp around just like the Drone does. It also has way too much health.
Ironhead841
Hero
3 years ago
@Psubond
Like I said before I wasn't really on-board with changing things this late in the games life and I get all that about preferred playstyle but it's kind of is what it is now.
So, I'm just going to keep trying to enjoy myself and adapt and overcome, I guess.
Changing the controller players setup was a bad move too, you're right about that.
CodaciousMan
3 years ago
How about weapon restrictions to classes? I feel like this would be a great change. I really like being forced into a role by limiting weapon choices.