3.2 feels like a new game
Among people who are whining that Lis got over-buffed, their favorite meta toys got taken away and classes, in general, being a terrible idea, I actually feel like the game is just fantastic in most ...
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@Psubond What's up with the controls? I've been playing and didn't feel any difference for a couple of days. Only 1 extra gadget slot.
And the exploits of using any gadget with any class is exactly what caused absolute chaos balance-wise.
Sure its cool on paper when you can pull off some combo with a class. But in reality, it introduced a whole train of balancing issues and gameplay loopholes
You fly a heli and there would be a next of Angels sitting on top of a loadout crate with infinite rocket launchers.
Play a tank and everyone would switch their gadget for M5 and you'd be dead in an instant.
That also killed any variety in the game. You said it yourself. You would be playing Angel because he had OP loadout crate, or Rao because he had that stupid hack/smack combo
Many other specialists were left out of the equation simply because they lacked any meaningful "combo setup"
Now its fixed and everyone has to play a specific role. This brings more balance and variety to the game. You can't just camp somewhere with an infinite rocket launcher all day (Unless you're Lis) and shoot passing vehicles.
And the exploits of using any gadget with any class is exactly what caused absolute chaos balance-wise.
Sure its cool on paper when you can pull off some combo with a class. But in reality, it introduced a whole train of balancing issues and gameplay loopholes
You fly a heli and there would be a next of Angels sitting on top of a loadout crate with infinite rocket launchers.
Play a tank and everyone would switch their gadget for M5 and you'd be dead in an instant.
That also killed any variety in the game. You said it yourself. You would be playing Angel because he had OP loadout crate, or Rao because he had that stupid hack/smack combo
Many other specialists were left out of the equation simply because they lacked any meaningful "combo setup"
Now its fixed and everyone has to play a specific role. This brings more balance and variety to the game. You can't just camp somewhere with an infinite rocket launcher all day (Unless you're Lis) and shoot passing vehicles.
@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
Many other specialists were left out of the equation simply because they lacked any meaningful "combo setup"
So denying everyone a meaningful combo setup now, isn't exactly improving this issue. Okay assaults may be the exception, but the meta combo setup they have now is everything but helping team play.
We had to deal with the specialists design in one way or the other. I don't play specialists whose looks I don't like after I reached T1 with them, but I still could help the team to bring a resupply crate when needed, or a repair tool, or a rocket. This freedom to help on my terms is gone. So I choose not to, and play the game how it is ment to be played: Leveling my next gear to T1
- @kregora Because 99.9% of the players didn't care. Run any specialist with a rocket launcher because it was most OP setup.
Now I actually see people repairing every single game.
Spawn beacons are all over the place from recons etc
There are more options now if you think about it- @UP_LordPlumber Just out of interest, why is your tracker page hidden?
@UP_LordPlumber wrote:Spawn beacons are all over the place from recons etc
There are more options now if you think about itForced diversity is different than player options.
The spawn beacon and repairs are the free gadgets. No one is upset about DICE giving those out. It's not the crux of the issue. DICE could have made that addition months ago as 'Phase 1' of the class introduction and I doubt many would have complained.
The issue is the restricted gadget pools. Pointing to the free gadgets as justification for the restricted gadget pools doesn't make sense to me. Sure they came bundled together with the 3.2 classes, but they are independent things and should be debated separately. Existence of one doesn't justify the existence of the other.
Maybe it's just me, but when I look at the gadget selections I see an obvious best choice for most classes. Only with Recon I'd have to pause for a choice between TUGS and C5. I'm sure some people less correct than me will differ.
Assault = C5
Engineer(Lis) = C5
Support = Ammo Crate
Recon = C5 or TUGS
Were there some specialist+gadget combos that got overplayed before? Yup
Are there some specialist+gadget combos that will get overplayed going forward? Also yup.
I would have preferred DICE only addressed the problematic/overplayed combos on a case by case basis - similar to the way they handled Lis. Classes got rid of a lot of interesting combos and failed to address one of the biggest metas from before (Mackay/Sundance + C5).
If you want to celebrate classes because you enjoy the role play, enjoy the classic BF vibes, or prefer vehicles and just see this as a general nerf to infantry that's all cool and understandable. But you won't sell me on the idea that restricting the gadget pool means more options.
@AngrySquid270Exactly! This is the reason why people are seeing more repairs and spawn beacons. They're part of their default load-outs now.
I love how people are conflating that with the Class change. Thanks for pointing that out.
- @UP_LordPlumber I usually see the maximum of one player repairing beside me. I also suspect that players are still on the Week 9 repair mission.
But you are see a lot more usage of the free bonus gadgets. And the spawn beacon makes a really nice step ladder.
I see a lot of Lis repairing, I haven't noticed a single Crawford repairing yet, because someone that doesn't revive while he is behind his gun, is also unlikely to repair while behind his gun.I seriously can't tell much of a difference in game play, feels the same.
Still getting shot 15 feet after I've turned the corner. Still finding the TTK / TTD offset.
The one big difference I see is nobody using Angel which means no ammo for you.
Why use him? No incentive anymore without an anti-vehicle weapon.
Throwing knife still kills faster than an SMG, why? They took the SOFLAM from McKay, the one specialist that can get above the crowd for viewing.
Lots of head scratchers on this one.
Still no server browser / filter so stuck mashing the cancel button every time Hourglass / Manifest / Survival / or the Canadian map start.
Still seeing differences between servers (probably never get rid of that) and lack of consistency.
