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4 years ago
@Stew360 While I see where you are coming from. I highly disagree with the statement that jets are OP. They definietly dont need to be removed as they play a huge role in balance.
Lets talk about role vs. skill for a second. Jets by their role are meant to counter or at least threaten any other air vehicle in the sky. However they are also meant to require the most skill to use. Current Jets fail on both catagories.
First they are laughably inferior to most every areial vehicle in the game. Yes they move and climb faster than any other air vehicle in the game. But in terms of threat they are more of a pest rather than a creditable threat.
Right now all other air vehicles have a major counter to Jets in the form of sky boxing. If a seasoned chopper or transpo pilot knows there is even a half decent fighter jet in the sky all they have to do is climb and wait. Eventually the jet will either engage them or ignore them and get caught off guard. I have tried both tactics. If I engage I am basically fighting head to head with a chopper at its most dangerous angle where you will fail. While ignoring them keeps them out of the fight effectively doing my job since they are at max alti and cannot harass my team. However if I am not constantly aware of them I will end up dead.
Now thats just one very effective counter to jets. The more egregious offender is the duck and dodge missile tactic used by choppers. Ever see a missile on a good lock heading directly for your target only to suddenly orbit the chopper and explode in the air? If you have, you have experienced this chopper tactic. Whats even worse is it requires no real skill to execute. I have literally watched youtube vids on people macroing this tactic down to a single button push. So not only do you have to bait a flare to engage you have to contend with an unrealistic mechanic that makes missiles of all kinds useless. This leaves only your cannons to deal trusted damage to a chopper. Of which only one is somewhat useful.
This is why you see so many seasoned fighters using AGMs and Cannons. If you cant beat the choppers join them in attacking ground forces. Leaving choppers to just farm infantry all day.
This should never have been the meta or the intent for jets. In addition due to their inability to engage ground targets well. It reduces their overall impact in a match. For every map I play a Jet, I realize I am doing so knowing their is a better vehicle option in the form of the apache, nightbird, or condor. As not only are these vehicles dangerous to ground forces they are dangerous to air as well. I have a much easier time going toe to toe with a nightbird in anything other than a jet. This rings true with almost every other vehicle combination.
Now as for skill. Id say choppers require even more skill to master when compared to jets. With the biggest reward for mastering them. As a master in a nightbird or attack chopper will wipe the floors with a jet.
So to say Jets are OP is like saying the earth is flat. Its just not based in reality. If youre a chopper pilot and are having problems with jets. Just look up the missle dodge tactic and it will change your world. Its stupid easy to learn even easier to macro and is largely effective. After you master that then tell me Jets are OP. Outside of that if you have any other examples of them being OP id love to talk about them!
Lets talk about role vs. skill for a second. Jets by their role are meant to counter or at least threaten any other air vehicle in the sky. However they are also meant to require the most skill to use. Current Jets fail on both catagories.
First they are laughably inferior to most every areial vehicle in the game. Yes they move and climb faster than any other air vehicle in the game. But in terms of threat they are more of a pest rather than a creditable threat.
Right now all other air vehicles have a major counter to Jets in the form of sky boxing. If a seasoned chopper or transpo pilot knows there is even a half decent fighter jet in the sky all they have to do is climb and wait. Eventually the jet will either engage them or ignore them and get caught off guard. I have tried both tactics. If I engage I am basically fighting head to head with a chopper at its most dangerous angle where you will fail. While ignoring them keeps them out of the fight effectively doing my job since they are at max alti and cannot harass my team. However if I am not constantly aware of them I will end up dead.
Now thats just one very effective counter to jets. The more egregious offender is the duck and dodge missile tactic used by choppers. Ever see a missile on a good lock heading directly for your target only to suddenly orbit the chopper and explode in the air? If you have, you have experienced this chopper tactic. Whats even worse is it requires no real skill to execute. I have literally watched youtube vids on people macroing this tactic down to a single button push. So not only do you have to bait a flare to engage you have to contend with an unrealistic mechanic that makes missiles of all kinds useless. This leaves only your cannons to deal trusted damage to a chopper. Of which only one is somewhat useful.
This is why you see so many seasoned fighters using AGMs and Cannons. If you cant beat the choppers join them in attacking ground forces. Leaving choppers to just farm infantry all day.
This should never have been the meta or the intent for jets. In addition due to their inability to engage ground targets well. It reduces their overall impact in a match. For every map I play a Jet, I realize I am doing so knowing their is a better vehicle option in the form of the apache, nightbird, or condor. As not only are these vehicles dangerous to ground forces they are dangerous to air as well. I have a much easier time going toe to toe with a nightbird in anything other than a jet. This rings true with almost every other vehicle combination.
Now as for skill. Id say choppers require even more skill to master when compared to jets. With the biggest reward for mastering them. As a master in a nightbird or attack chopper will wipe the floors with a jet.
So to say Jets are OP is like saying the earth is flat. Its just not based in reality. If youre a chopper pilot and are having problems with jets. Just look up the missle dodge tactic and it will change your world. Its stupid easy to learn even easier to macro and is largely effective. After you master that then tell me Jets are OP. Outside of that if you have any other examples of them being OP id love to talk about them!
4 years ago
@killroywuzhere03
Well let me rephrase .
Jets dont belong in the game .. They do not period
Jets are just an anoyance , and lead to anoying and boring gameplay ..
The only two things that can realistically take down a jets without wasting 1 hours doing so are mostly Other jets or fully manned Condors ...
Its the way it is and its boring .. Boring to play as a jet pilot , insanely boring to play against a jet pilot if not in a jet yourself .. If i wanted to play Ace combat i would play that and have more fun .. But in this setup jets simply do not belong .
Well let me rephrase .
Jets dont belong in the game .. They do not period
Jets are just an anoyance , and lead to anoying and boring gameplay ..
The only two things that can realistically take down a jets without wasting 1 hours doing so are mostly Other jets or fully manned Condors ...
Its the way it is and its boring .. Boring to play as a jet pilot , insanely boring to play against a jet pilot if not in a jet yourself .. If i wanted to play Ace combat i would play that and have more fun .. But in this setup jets simply do not belong .
- 4 years ago@Stew360 Then by that point no air vehicles belong and should be removed. Each vehicle has their own function. Choppers provide CAS, Transpo provides support and tacitcal advantages, Jets are predators that keep Choppers and Transpo in check.
Now as for destroying Jets. Yes if you are out to hunt air vehicles then condors (currently) and other jets are the most effective at Killing jets. Or a coordinated effort of choppers can also do so. This is because Jets can boom and zoom choppers with ease. However it takes as long to down a good chopper as it takes to down a good pilot. And there are obvious advantages I mentioned with choppers that outclass jets.
If you are chasing Jets in a Chopper you are not using Choppers right as they are for close air support CAS and not anti air. Can you definitely attack and down jets with choppers? Certainly but they are not built for that task nor should they be.
Just saying Jets are boring and dont belong isnt enough for me Stew. You gotta tell me more... Why are they boring and why are they annoying? Because they are hard to kill?
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