What did that do with Aim Assist? It seems really OP right now.
I would curious to see how console players are doing now since the 1.2 patch?
Every encounter with a console player is a death now. I got some trade kills, but if I get hit with one bullet, no matter what, I am dead.
Has any else noticed this? I finally got a lag free game in and then every engagement is a death by console player.
@Adamonic wrote:
@Echo6EchoI don't think PC controller use w/ aim assist is that high, but you are correct, it is not necessarily console only. People just associate it with console.
Either way, it does seem a little OP where before it was not working correctly. If all you have to do is get near the target and it sticks to them while you press fire, we might as well make the game one shot kill with every weapon to even the playing field.
The video seems like an honest assessment of the feature right now and even that guy, who seems like a seasoned player, agrees that it is a little bit too strong.
It doesn't and I don't think the video is showing that. Firstly as he says he's a skilled player(consistently topping scoreboards, 100 kill games, comp play. Basically a top 0.1%player)so using his gameplay to judge what you experience from the other side isn't exactly fair (including before this update if I remember correctly). All the aiming requires input, but there is definitely help now. I honestly don't know any console player who wants the AA being too strong and playing the game for you, and I don't think we are at that stage.
Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet? Or when you see the perfect tracking at the vidéo starting?
Yes the player is experimented but the same goes with M&K, have you ever seeen a beginer vs experienced player with M&K?
This is not a console vs pc problem it's a problem of adjusting the game.
M&k are precise tools but you have to use them with precision by yourself.
Controllers aren't precise tools, they are perfect for other games but relly aren't suitable for precise games like FPS... How to make those games available to controler users? The solution? Aim assist. We all agree this tool is needed if you want to put players using M&K against controller users.
BUT the players in both scenarios should have to play the game by themselves.
You don't have this kind of tracking on targets you see at the begining of the vidéo with M&K... Yes the tool is more precise but nothing helps you to be precise. The balance is subtle i agree, but the vidéo shows how it can goes too far with aim assist.
I'm playing PC games since 20 years.
I'm far away from console vs Pc stupid warfare.
I state that problem comes from controller (can be used on pc) and M&K.
M&K are inconsistent in this game, bug fix is needed. While controllers can track lock on tragets even behind cover?
Some adjustments are needed both for M&K and controllers.
I prey for M&K debug in next patch... since game's launch, but concerning aim assist as it's the point here:
I would say that Dice pushed aim assist too far in previous patches to help controllers while it was bugged, go look back previous patch notes they pushed aim aisst before bug fixing it. Now they patched the aim assist and as it is no longer bugged it works... far too well.
Aim assist is working now, great! Now what we need are slight adjustments to make it works well.
@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet?
I'll just answer this bit because life's too short. What you are seeing is not quite what the player is experiencing. What you are seeing as some sort of auto -locking onto the player is more of a feeling as the assist comes into affect(Tbh this isn't easy to describe). The player turning is human input, and the player stopping on the enemy when they feel the assist is also human input.
I agree. I recently jumped back into this game and i have noticed this in every fight between a console player.
I did some testing by jumping around on Portal servers with latencies of 8ms to 200ms today. The higher the latency a server has the less likely you are to get lasered by a console users aim assist and net code single tick kill issues.
A latency range of 110ms to 150ms seemed to put a stop to a lot of the instant one tick kills. The lower you go latency wise, the worse the instant kill ticks become. As you creep up in latencies to around 200ms you don’t see the instant kills from the consoles as much but you do see a lot of around corner and from behind cover kills. So much so in fact, it’s almost unplayable.
One exception to this was a server at 8ms. No players from out of the area were joining in on it with extreme high latency. The network graphs stayed flat until around the end of the game. I didn’t see any lasering or instant kill damage ticks happening until near the end of the game when the average latency started creeping higher from out of the area players joining.
If they could region lock MM or put a max latency limit of 100ms on the MM servers, I really do think it would help the netcode issue until they can fix it.
@SeriousJuJu wrote:If they could region lock MM or put a max latency limit of 100ms on the MM servers, I really do think it would help the netcode issue until they can fix it.
In my experience the MM is region locked.
I'm on West Coast US. Typically ping 22ms to US West servers and 75ms to US East servers.
In BF1 and BFV the MM would place me in US East servers about 50% of the time. Very rarely I'd get placed into Europe servers.
In 600+ matches of BF2042 I have NEVER been placed into a US East server. I've only ever been placed into a US West server.
I suspect this aggressive region locking is contributing to the queue times many are experiencing in low pop regions. Also I believe this apparent region locking goal of MM partly explains why we don't have a server browser.
@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:Now they patched the aim assist and as it is no longer bugged it works... far too well.
The aim assist today feels similar to what we've had since BF1. In BF2042 aim assist has gone from broken to something resembling 'normal'.
What we have now has been the standard for at least the past six years (can't remember BF4 well enough to comment). Whether you realized it or not PC players have been playing against this level of aim assist since BF1. I say this as someone who played BF1 on console, on PC w/KBM and on PC w/controller w/aim assist.
@SeriousJuJu wrote:I did some testing by jumping around on Portal servers with latencies of 8ms to 200ms today. The higher the latency a server has the less likely you are to get lasered by a console users aim assist and net code single tick kill issues.
A latency range of 110ms to 150ms seemed to put a stop to a lot of the instant one tick kills. The lower you go latency wise, the worse the instant kill ticks become. As you creep up in latencies to around 200ms you don’t see the instant kills from the consoles as much but you do see a lot of around corner and from behind cover kills. So much so in fact, it’s almost unplayable.
One exception to this was a server at 8ms. No players from out of the area were joining in on it with extreme high latency. The network graphs stayed flat until around the end of the game. I didn’t see any lasering or instant kill damage ticks happening until near the end of the game when the average latency started creeping higher from out of the area players joining.
If they could region lock MM or put a max latency limit of 100ms on the MM servers, I really do think it would help the netcode issue until they can fix it.
I posted in another thread about the fact that you can get into a solo game with bots that have no ping, have your ping be in the 30s and it feels normal because there is no compensation in the mix. I think this compensation issue has far more to do with it than aim assist or crossplay. I think everyone needs to calm down a notch and evaluate what's happening. Are there issues with crossplay? Sure, but not to the extent everyone thinks. I think netcode is the issue and if you turn off crossplay, good luck getting a match.
@A_al_K_pacino_A wrote:
@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet?
I'll just answer this bit because life's too short. What you are seeing is not quite what the player is experiencing.
It is tho, the number of time a console player just tracks me through a smoke or a bush I can't see through is too damn high
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@A_al_K_pacino_A wrote:
@l_Grand_Vizir_l wrote:Honestly how can you say this when after 5min30 you have an example of aim assist going straight to an enemy the player can't even see yet?
I'll just answer this bit because life's too short. What you are seeing is not quite what the player is experiencing.
It is tho, the number of time a console player just tracks me through a smoke or a bush I can't see through is too damn high
Any videos of aim assist tracking through smoke/bushes?
