What did that do with Aim Assist? It seems really OP right now. I would curious to see how console players are doing now since the 1.2 patch?Every encounter with a console player is a death now. I got some trade kills, but if I get hit with one bullet, no matter what, I am dead. Has any else noticed this? I finally got a lag free game in and then every engagement is a death by console player.

I tought it would never happen, but i have to agree with Atic here. Both pc and console have their own problems and i believe the trouble lays network/patches/update etc wise, and not person wise. I hope this will be fix for both sides, so we all can play the game how its ment to be. I for one don't mind playing with console players...they kill me and i kill them..i see no differents. I totaly understand that some console players prefer to play only against other console players, so i hope for them there wil be a console only option. In the end...we are all gamers and we like to play..no matter if you are a noob( like me ) or a ace. Specialy now with what's going on with this game, we have to stand united.

I have to laugh at you PC players whining.The only thing they did was remove the aim slow down bubble that was making it damn near impossible to track moving targets.The snap aim still doesn't work 80% of the time, there is no horizontal tracking/assitAs a Series X player the only noticable difference after patch my aim isn't stuck in lag do to the aim assit bubble anymore.So if your losing to a console player its because they out shot you not to aim assit. The only difference now is console players aren't being even more handicapped by the old aim assit.

@xXHappy_PuppyXxTotally agree that the net code via cross play is creating much of the TTK/TTD/hit reg/desync/lag compensation/etc issues with BF 2042, along with the fact there are not enough players online at one time consistently for the MM system to fill a game server with players in localized low latency zones. So add packet loss and 300ms and higher pings to the net code equation formula of online chaos.As it stands, BF 2042 net code is like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle...sometimes it is impossible to predict outcomes so it just manufactures player reality from nothingness..😛Honestly the PC/Console "Aim-Assist" debate is is just predictable tribal human nature, but is mostly a distraction from logical reality that BF 2042 contains a few dozen major net code issues that create a system of inconsistently fair gameplay.And other games have similar issues. For example, I play a game that is PVE with players across the entire globe, running 200ms to 300ms pings, and it worked great until the Devs recently added "cross play". Now PC/Playstation/Xbox players can't even go one round without someone dropping, new weird lag effects are constant, basically ruined the game as the net code can't handle both the high latency and the different platforms now, and it was fine with high latency and the same platforms previously.BF 2042 running five different platforms was a neat idea, but the idea is better than reality with 128 player modes full of high and low ping players using a MM system only really works well with tens of thousands of players, not a couple of thousand online....Dice knows this, but the game was sold as 128 player, so no easy way to reverse it completely at this point. What is needed is 32-64 player max with latency limits and a higher tick rates, or even maybe even just total map variable refresh per tick like Apex Legends, not the zoned approach used currently with BF 2042...Even better, just dump the MM system and go back to server browsers...but at this point, I'm guessing that isn't even possible as it seems to be the number one requested feature for the last 8-9 months, yet not a single comment from either Dice or EA concerning server browsers...🤔

@RaginSam /facepalm the console aim assit is not the same as pc... hence in the patch notes it was a fix to console aim assit.I have played both full aim assit and with it off. There is no discernable difference.In fact do to the slow bubble effect I had to turn it off as it was that detrimental to gameplay.

Try playing with a controller and see if it's really as OP as you think. Aim assist doesn't work like it does in CoD. It doesn't stick to players and 'aimbots' targets. It literally slows down your reticle when you're already on the target. The person is still having to aim.For what it's worth I'm playing worse than before the update. The aim assist still doesn't function well enough.

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InS_Hypno
3 years ago
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
Out of curiosity I Iooked up some of my accuracy stats for comparison between BF1, BFV and BF2042 (I use controller+aim assist). I'll acknowledge this is just a few data points that could be explained by reasons other than, or in addition to, aim assist performance.
I share this to try and provide an objective indicator on where we were at with aim assist in BF2042 prior to 1.2.
Spammy high RPM semi-auto:
1903X (BF1) = 34%
P08 (BFV) = 35.4%
VCAR (BF2042) = 28.9%
Semi-auto rifle:
Seb 1916 (BF1) = 40%
Seb 1916 (BFV) = 45.5%
DM7 (BF2042) = 32.3%
Big mag LMG:
Lewis (BF1) = 23%
Lewis (BFV) = 24.6%
LCMG (BF2042) = 17.4%
You can dismiss these numbers for a variety of reasons, but I feel the story that these numbers tell aligns with my in-game experience - aim assist in BF2042 was broken prior to 1.2 and landing shots was much harder than what I was used to in past BF games.
Starting with 1.2 I began using the SVK in 2042. My numbers on the SVK should be purely from the new aim assist. Accuracy so far is 43% which makes it on par with my performance using similar guns (Seb 1916) in past titles. Again, these numbers align with my in-game experience - post 1.2 the aim assist feels much closer to what I recall from past BF games.
Now PC players will likely still object to the effectiveness of aim assist in BF2042, but I hope when you do so you keep in mind that this level of aim assist has been the standard for the past few BF titles. I've also taken screen shots of my BF2042 gun stats, if my accuracy numbers begin climbing higher than what I saw in past BF games I'll happily eat my words on this.
Everyone's accuracy went down
I used to be around 25% to 28% with automatic rifles in bfv
I can barely break 19% now
If console players have the same accuracy then they used to they are better off then pc players
Adamonic
Legend
3 years ago
@AngrySquid270 there is no way to know what it is now though. I am sure it is way down since you have played most of the time without reliable AA. However, it is just OP now.

There is no other way you can explain that every time I die, it is a console player when the other team is roughly 60/40 Console/PC. I take a screenshot of every death. It is almost pointless anymore because if the player hits me AND kills me, it is console.

Maybe we should revisit your accuracy in a month or so and see where it is at. If it goes up a few percentage pts, then we know the answer.

Again, I am not against AA, however, it just seems really sticky right now.
DaveTheBrave_USA
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
If people have to play on a console, which is a toy and they need aim-assist in order to hit targets let them. But separate everyone, consoles from PCs to keep it fair. PCs don't have aim assist and we get popped off from incredible distances while on the move all the time, probably by console players with aim assist turned on. It's no fun. So either eliminate cross-play or give PCs aim assist too. That would be sweet!
Flakstar
3 years ago
The described problem of "one frame kills"/"super bullets"/"stacked dmg" is even occuring when you are playing against bots. It´s quite common the deltatick of received dmg to be 99+. EA needs to improve the server performance and no fake fixes like back in BFV. Patch notes "improved server perfomance", because alot of player complained about the bad performance and the upshowing server performance warning symbols. Reality performance of the server are the same since their "fix" was increasing the value for the warning symbols for the server tick/performance from 14 ms to 16 ms. Well i wasnt surprised, the real fix to would have increased EA´s AWS bill.
xXHappy_PuppyXx
Rising Ace
3 years ago
@DaveTheBrave_USA Yet. We keep telling you that console aim assit doesnt snap aim, doesnt sticky aim.. using "it must of been aim assit " is just an excuse.

The idea that console aim assit has soming to do with you dieing is ridiculous if want to see what real aim assit go play warzone.

The issue with bf2042 is the net code especially the crossplay code. You may think that console players instant killed you but in reality the console player from their perspective dumped most of their magazine at you. Do to bad netcode/ ticket rate all that damage register's at one time giving the illusion that the other player instant hit you with every round.

I do agree with you that PC needs to go.. but not for silly aim assit excuse but do to the fact BF net code be it the AWS servers, the frostbite engine or what ever is causing the issue is not ready for crossplay.
Echo6Echo
3 years ago
@Flakstar wrote:
The described problem of "one frame kills"/"super bullets"/"stacked dmg" is even occuring when you are playing against bots. It´s quite common the deltatick of received dmg to be 99+. EA needs to improve the server performance and no fake fixes like back in BFV. Patch notes "improved server perfomance", because alot of player complained about the bad performance and the upshowing server performance warning symbols. Reality performance of the server are the same since their "fix" was increasing the value for the warning symbols for the server tick/performance from 14 ms to 16 ms. Well i wasnt surprised, the real fix to would have increased EA´s AWS bill.
Are you talking about bots in the portal or bots in Solo/Co-op? When I play in Solo, I get ZERO issues with quick deaths, inability to avoid damage after the first hit, etc. It's like a new game with 2042 maps and guns....
DeepSixxxx
3 years ago
@xXHappy_PuppyXxTotally agree that the net code via cross play is creating much of the TTK/TTD/hit reg/desync/lag compensation/etc issues with BF 2042, along with the fact there are not enough players online at one time consistently for the MM system to fill a game server with players in localized low latency zones. So add packet loss and 300ms and higher pings to the net code equation formula of online chaos.
As it stands, BF 2042 net code is like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle...sometimes it is impossible to predict outcomes so it just manufactures player reality from nothingness..😛

Honestly the PC/Console "Aim-Assist" debate is is just predictable tribal human nature, but is mostly a distraction from logical reality that BF 2042 contains a few dozen major net code issues that create a system of inconsistently fair gameplay.

And other games have similar issues. For example, I play a game that is PVE with players across the entire globe, running 200ms to 300ms pings, and it worked great until the Devs recently added "cross play". Now PC/Playstation/Xbox players can't even go one round without someone dropping, new weird lag effects are constant, basically ruined the game as the net code can't handle both the high latency and the different platforms now, and it was fine with high latency and the same platforms previously.

BF 2042 running five different platforms was a neat idea, but the idea is better than reality with 128 player modes full of high and low ping players using a MM system only really works well with tens of thousands of players, not a couple of thousand online....

Dice knows this, but the game was sold as 128 player, so no easy way to reverse it completely at this point. What is needed is 32-64 player max with latency limits and a higher tick rates, or even maybe even just total map variable refresh per tick like Apex Legends, not the zoned approach used currently with BF 2042...
Even better, just dump the MM system and go back to server browsers...but at this point, I'm guessing that isn't even possible as it seems to be the number one requested feature for the last 8-9 months, yet not a single comment from either Dice or EA concerning server browsers...🤔
Flakstar
3 years ago
@Echo6Echo Solo/Coop yup most the time its a different game, since ALAT doesnt got so huge variations. Sometimes the dmg report still shows 99+ and sometimes you still die in "one frame" and dmg monitor always got one entry with 99+ deltatick. Latency to the server 9-14ms, depending on the daytime.
RayD_O1
Hero
3 years ago
@DeepSixxxx
Good post covering very important issues.👍
neohuiji
3 years ago
Yeah, Aim Assist is too OP on console. We need console only corssplay.

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