Attack helicopters and Jet on Breakthrough?

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

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@Ironhead841 wrote:

@Psubond 

Yep, it sure was especially in Breakthrough. Nothing like trying to defend a point and having some "skilled" pilot hovering over it out of range of any counter just raining bombs down over and over.

I wouldn't care if the added the other aircraft back into BT but leave that damn Stealth parked in the garage!

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But now we can hit the damn thing with railguns

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Stealth helo players abused the crap out of their toy and ruined it for all attack helo players.  No one to blame other than the helo mains.  The way the stealth helos were used were a MAJOR issue in breakthrough and that is what got the helos removed

@Psubond
But the new options introduced a fix with more counters (rifle railgun + tank railgun + jet slots + AA tank slots) and then also removed helis and jets as a second fix....

In a culinary analogy it is like fixing the fact that a salad does not have enough salt by adding the salt and then throwing away the entire salad because it was not salty enough before adding the missing salt !!!!!

This is overkill and even if I rarely use helis anymore, it feels like the game is less Battlefield than before...

I do not want to play 2042 junky conquest maps for the full experience...

Meanwhile breakthrough is not available on the portal server builder as an option...

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

@Psubond
But the new options introduced a fix with more counters (rifle railgun + tank railgun + jet slots + AA tank slots) and then also removed helis and jets as a second fix....

In a culinary analogy it is like fixing the fact that a salad does not have enough salt by adding the salt and then throwing away the entire salad because it was not salty enough before adding the missing salt !!!!!

This is overkill and even if I rarely use helis anymore, it feels like the game is less Battlefield than before...

I do not want to play 2042 junky conquest maps for the full experience...

Meanwhile breakthrough is not available on the portal server builder as an option...

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stealth helos are like adding rotten tomatos to the salad.  no matter what you do to fix it the only way to get rid of the problem is to toss the whole salad and start over, not pick out the rotten tomatos and serve it ayway.

Conquest is the worst experience for helis pilot in the new map 

It's disgusting,  the new tank in Russian side are just camping in redline,  snip every things flying,  without the possibility to be killed. 

BT was a good mode , I am fear for bf now 

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@Psubondbut why did the other aircraft had to be caught in it too

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probably because if they just took away the stealth then they would be admitting they messed up with the mechanics (stealth AND flares AND weapons in stealth mode)

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@Psubond wrote:

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

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@Ironhead841 wrote:

@Psubond 

Yep, it sure was especially in Breakthrough. Nothing like trying to defend a point and having some "skilled" pilot hovering over it out of range of any counter just raining bombs down over and over.

I wouldn't care if the added the other aircraft back into BT but leave that damn Stealth parked in the garage!

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But now we can hit the damn thing with railguns

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Stealth helo players abused the crap out of their toy and ruined it for all attack helo players.  No one to blame other than the helo mains.  The way the stealth helos were used were a MAJOR issue in breakthrough and that is what got the helos removed

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Not sure I agree here.   Helos flying at ceiling and raining down on infantry is a common occurrence.  I was just in a game.  We had a jeep and a tank.  The air ignored the armor, and just took out the infantry.    Our armor ignored their armor, and just took out the infantry

The issue is, vehicles have a purpose in this game.   Half the armor is infantry focused, but some is also air, and it ignores air.  Air is armor focused, but ignores armor for infantry.   Pilots are more worried about KD then winning.   They ignore their purpose and farm.   Ironically, in a game, it is the vehicles that usually determine the game

Watch how many pilots sit stationary and hold a zone.  No moving, easily targeted by other vehicles.  They dont even move.  Armor sits in their starting zones raining fire on the nearest target, feeling safe because they know, air doesnt target them.  Air just flys out of bounds and waits for the borg regen, then comes back and farms infantry.

JMHO, the fix 

Vehicles meant to target other vehicles get their damage greatly reduced against infantry.  Force them to target vehicles. 

Remove Borg Regeneration from the game.  This will rotate the vehicles faster, giving more up time to infantry and give more people opportunity to pilot a vehicle.

When a side controls a zone, have a resupply vehicle area in each zone.   Take away unlimited ammo.  This will prevent camping and just holding a mouse button (SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY GAME).  It will also limit using shells to destroy 1 infantry because you have unlimited shells and you're more impressed with your KD ration then winning.

I know pilots will balk at these suggestions, but we all know why they will too.   None of these break the game.