@AngrySquid270 Typically? I die more to myself crashing into the ground. (I'm not joking, I crash and burn to learn how far I can push the aircraft's physics to narrowly avoid collisions, I've done this in every Battlefield) What kind of question are you asking? The Wildcat is also quite good vs the Jet. You don't chance flying around a good Wildcat. Enemy Apaches are also good at picking you off if they see you've recently used your flares.
My issue with giving you a straight forward answer to your question is that I'd have to ask you, do you mean before or after 1.0.0 because 1.0.0 totally butchered Jet gameplay, or what was left of it anyway.
I can tell you one thing, Transport Helicopter Miniguns pose the exact same threat to other Air Attack Vehicles. The only exception is the Huron/Hannibal if it has a Gunner to use the EMP. Otherwise it's also easy prey for the Transport Helis.
Maybe 2042 is just a different game, where Jets don't deserve the same level of distinction they once had, sadly.
@S3SSioN_SoL I'm basically asking how jets fit into the rock, paper, scissor dynamic...post 1.0.
If jets are paper, then what is their scissor?
Transports appear to be the answer to that question. And if that's the case I don't find much objectionable - shouldn't every playstyle have a natural counter?
@AngrySquid270Let me reframe your perspective.
For a Jet to kill a Transport Heli, it would need to strafe at least 3 times, taking into account for misses like I did in the video and assuming there's no one repairing it.
This is also assuming, the enemy Air Attack Vehicle is concerned with something else, which often the case is seldom.
For a Transport Heli to kill a Jet, it would need to 2 good gunners (or even 1 that interswitches between the Cannon and lands a shot if they're lucky, furthermore, the pilot can do it themselves, I've done it, so that's just 1 person), ready for the Jet and the Pilot simply pressing the Key to ascend to the sky ceiling.
The Jet currently takes up the only Air Attack Vehicle slot. There are TWO slots for the Hind/Condor.
There is no conceivable way that a Jet, even without making a single mistake can take on both enemy Transport Helis at the same time if those crews are aware of just how much firepower they wield versus aircraft.
What exactly screams balanced about that?
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@AngrySquid270
What exactly screams balanced about that?
I'm not trying to suggest it is balanced.
I'm trying to suggest that it is intentionally unbalanced due to the principles of rock, paper scissor.
@AngrySquid270 Furthermore, I'd like to ask, lets assume (for some hellish reason) the "Transport" vehicle is a Jet counter, what exactly should Jets do with their time? Considering they must destroy other vehicles to progress their masteries and that their ability to destroy land vehicles was heavily nerfed recently.
Also considering that Air Attack Vehicles spawn every 2 minutes.
That's a flying air vehicle with the least amount of impact on the game, less than a Polaris and that thing handles worse than the Hovercraft... Jets might as well become the unofficial spectating mode for 2042.
A TUK-TUK has more impact on the game than Jets, lmao that's quite funny to think about... oh Battlefield.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@AngrySquid270 Furthermore, I'd like to ask, lets assume (for some hellish reason) the "Transport" vehicle is a Jet counter, what exactly should Jets do with their time? Considering they must destroy other vehicles to progress their masteries and that their ability to destroy land vehicles was heavily nerfed recently.
Also considering that Air Attack Vehicles spawn every 2 minutes.
That's a good question I don't have a great answer for, I feel like tanks/armor have enough threats to deal with already so I'm not crazy about buffing jets versus armor, also I suspect this would lead to jets choosing anti-ground loadouts over anti-air loadouts. Not crazy about buffing jets versus transports since I believe in the rock, paper, scissor balancing (and if we must have an apex predator I'd rather it be the vehicle operated by 4+ players).
I'd say this 'lack of stuff to do' is probably the best argument I've heard yet for adding a dedicated jet slot to each team. That should at least allow for some dogfighting in between hunting for heli's.
@AngrySquid270It doesn't take 4 people to make it an "Overpowered vehicle" though, just 2 or 1 if the pilot is skilled. Having extra people just solidifies its presence against other transport vehicles. That's the whole point of this thread. The "scissor" is a butcher's knife, lmao. The true scissor and you and I both know this, is meant to be Stingers and Anti Air Tanks, as well as Anti Air Guns found on the map which don't exist, and not a vehicle intended to transport infantry.
The argument that the transport heli is balanced because it needs more than 1 person to simultaneously use the guns and fly is undone by the fact that it has ridiculously high HP, higher than a tank and a tank needs a crew to survive more than a transport heli does! It's bonkers!
All in all, I can see why air attack vehicles are so absent in this game because they're so terrible balanced. (aside from the only viable but OP guns on the Stealth Heli, they should give the EMP launcher to the Apache as well since the Apache doesn't get a 30mm Cannon like the Hokum does. Whilst they at it, give Jets the ability to Hack vehicles too, can at least even the playing field then.)
Be above the transport. Their guns have zero angle above centerline. IF you can of course...
@Echo6EchoDoesn't help when they ascend faster than any other air vehicle in the game. The Condor can actually rise above the sky ceiling for a brief moment.
Furthermore, both the Hind and the Condor can remain in an almost vertical position with the guns having complete angles of attack horizontally with little consequence if they're high enough.
@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:
@Echo6EchoDoesn't help when they ascend faster than any other air vehicle in the game.
Oh I agree....that's why I said "IF" you can 🙂
