Boris turret is useless.
Boris turret is pointless. It takes an eternity to start shooting yet stops almost instantly. If about as durable as a paper bag in a lite shower of rain. A mean what’s the point in playing him?? Oh ...
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@Bolvard Agree. This is first time i tried it post nerf (i did T1 on zombie night cause i didnt want to deal with playing boris). The highlighting was the problem. This weeks mission showed how absolute trash that gun is now
I am ok with how the gun performs when Boris is not close, but it should be a lot better when he is within range (which was the point of it). He takes a risk being close to it, but benefits from the added firepower, or he uses it as a decoy to flank and the turret is much less effective.
However, right now it is just a decoy in both scenarios. I don't know the last time I have been killed by one.
I would buff the dmg, detection speed, and detection range when Boris is within its bubble. Leave the current settings for when Boris is outside of the bubble.
I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
EA_AticDICE Team
Shared the feedback with the team.
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@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
@FlibberMeisterGood luck getting T1 on Boris now. That would be almost impossible now with the nerf. The turret doesn't kill anything. Most players can kill Boris and the turret before the turret even reacts.
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
It’s not lost on me that a turret is essentially a more solo type tool.
in which case it shouldn’t be in the game at all, like wise the robo-dog.
But they are and as such they should be effective at something rather than nothing which they currently are.I don’t agree with this sentiment that these tools are doing your job for you. That’s just wrong imho. And like I said there should be counters, to unlock any avenues that have been secured, for either you or your team.
Also, there are many reasons the games dull not just the fact the turret is literally pointless.
Of course early on there were issues with too many turrets and that would become an issue again. But that could be countered by proximity limits to other turrets and limited turrets per squad.
if we have turrets they should do something, I’ve seen so many people moan because it’s not a person or that it doesn’t take skill. All I can say to those players, is well tough, it’s a legitimate part of the game.
@FlibberMeister wrote:
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
It’s not lost on me that a turret is essentially a more solo type tool.
in which case it shouldn’t be in the game at all, like wise the robo-dog.
But they are and as such they should be effective at something rather than nothing which they currently are.I don’t agree with this sentiment that these tools are doing your job for you. That’s just wrong imho. And like I said there should be counters, to unlock any avenues that have been secured, for either you or your team.
Also, there are many reasons the games dull not just the fact the turret is literally pointless.
Of course early on there were issues with too many turrets and that would become an issue again. But that could be countered by proximity limits to other turrets and limited turrets per squad.
if we have turrets they should do something, I’ve seen so many people moan because it’s not a person or that it doesn’t take skill. All I can say to those players, is well tough, it’s a legitimate part of the game.
No just because it's in the game doesn't mean it should be powerful if it's detrimental to the gameplay which a turret 100% is, same with the ranger
The turret already does enough by being an all-seeing always watching spotting machine, asking for the turret to be deadly on top of that is 100% asking the game to do work for you
If the turret makes it easy to get at minimum a 1 on 1 trade every bot is gonna use it and it's gonna be miserable for anyone who just wants to play a game without having to worry about an all seeing aimbot on a timer which is the majority of people
But hey we'll just have to wait for people to lose their * again for it to be nerfed again
No one likes playing against crutches
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:
@InS_Hypno wrote:
@FlibberMeister wrote:I think that too many people play BF now thinking that it’s a solo Player on Player game, and to be honest I’ve always considered BF to be more of a strategic shooter, than death match shooter.
as such, for me the turret should be formidable, I should be able to lock down an avenue of approach with it. And it should be difficult to deal with. requiring a rock paper scissor type solution to deal with. I.e it could be hacked, or approached with a shield, or perhaps it’s field of view could be limited.
of course everyone wants to be able to solo BF now so of course it gets nerfed. Anything that takes more than looking at to kill is too much for a lot of players apparently.
BF has become so dull to play.
Brother go play a tower defense a this point
It's insane you are complaining the game is ''dull'' because you can't just press a button and have the game literally do the job for you
Also insane that you complain about a solo centered game when you want to literally solo hold lanes with a turret doing most of the work
It’s not lost on me that a turret is essentially a more solo type tool.
in which case it shouldn’t be in the game at all, like wise the robo-dog.
But they are and as such they should be effective at something rather than nothing which they currently are.I don’t agree with this sentiment that these tools are doing your job for you. That’s just wrong imho. And like I said there should be counters, to unlock any avenues that have been secured, for either you or your team.
Also, there are many reasons the games dull not just the fact the turret is literally pointless.
Of course early on there were issues with too many turrets and that would become an issue again. But that could be countered by proximity limits to other turrets and limited turrets per squad.
if we have turrets they should do something, I’ve seen so many people moan because it’s not a person or that it doesn’t take skill. All I can say to those players, is well tough, it’s a legitimate part of the game.
No just because it's in the game doesn't mean it should be powerful if it's detrimental to the gameplay which a turret 100% is, same with the ranger
The turret already does enough by being an all-seeing always watching spotting machine, asking for the turret to be deadly on top of that is 100% asking the game to do work for you
If the turret makes it easy to get at minimum a 1 on 1 trade every bot is gonna use it and it's gonna be miserable for anyone who just wants to play a game without having to worry about an all seeing aimbot on a timer which is the majority of people
But hey we'll just have to wait for people to lose their * again for it to be nerfed again
No one likes playing against crutches
I agree, the all seeing feature of the turret is stupid.
id be happy if it’s range and angle of attack was limited, broader angle of attack at expense of speed/targeting.
narrower angle of attack, faster targeting.longer range at lower of power. Shorter range, more powerful. Could also combine rate of fire, vs power vs target speed. Perhaps only configurable in main menu.
or, just get rid completely. Either way, at the moment. It’s worthless.
@FlibberMeister wrote:I agree, the all seeing feature of the turret is stupid.
id be happy if it’s range and angle of attack was limited, broader angle of attack at expense of speed/targeting.
narrower angle of attack, faster targeting.longer range at lower of power. Shorter range, more powerful. Could also combine rate of fire, vs power vs target speed. Perhaps only configurable in main menu.
or, just get rid completely. Either way, at the moment. It’s worthless.
Imo the way to go is to remove it or rework it so it's not an all-seeing aimbot because as of right now the turret is just a crutch, a bad one because of the delay but still
It's additional HP, damage and information that requires no input from the player
It's almost like adding an full blown AI soldier, one that doesn't move but is aware of everything it sees in a 65m radius and doesn't miss
If the problem people have is the mastery they should just change the requirement, not break the game so people can get achievements lol
- @Tank2042Man It does need a balance between performance and the stats required for T1. It did need a nerf when the game was new, and as usual they swung it too far. Usually that gets a slight buff back once it’s realized it’s too far, which never happened in this case. If it wasn’t a challenge, I’d have probably not cared. Now I remember how bad the turret is and I care again lol.
People talk like this turret somehow moves and engages you lol, it takes YOU to trigger it so maybe people should take a look around.
The run and gun cod players can’t be having someone actually using tactics and placing a turret in a good tactical spot!
It takes something like a 800% damage server for this turret to be threatening.
Meanwhile the Crawford turret can even be used as makeshift cover from the holes of which you can snipe though instead of manning the turret.
- @emerson1975 The irony is the Boris auto-turret is the only item I've found to slow down the "COD run and gun" type you mentioned in TDM from running constant circular flanks in groups of 2 and 4 and steam rolling solo players who don't have three mates 24/7 to watch their back and revive them, etc.
Ironic how some gamers call the auto-turret a "crutch" as they run the maps with 2-3 buddies 3 feet from them at all times. The ultimate challenge is playing solo, usually forced on a substantial number of gamers due to responsibilities from the game of life. Dice hurt solo players by nerfing Boris into oblivion...as nothing else can watch your back other than robo-puppy...
I got Boris to T1 pre-nerf, and even though it is cool that almost nobody has the black helmet and outfit, it really isn't fair for those who want it now as it was not easy to T1 Boris pre-nerf, and will take forever now.
For example, I T1ed both stealth helis in less than three weeks, T1 bolte in less than two weeks. T1 50 cal sniper in less than one week. But Boris took 3 months and it was painful and took some tactics and deep thinking on my part as to how to deploy it effectively. I'd write a tips and tricks for players but due to the super nerf, it would not help.
Dice knows Boris needs some attention so I suspect some small buffs are coming, else they need to reduce the requirements for T1 to make it fair... All this talk about it being an "aim bot" and a "crutch" or "cheat" or whatever IMO is horse puckey. It spots one person on the mini map, (not wall hacked) and then takes an eternity to fire at that person and does little to no damage. Ok so it spots you...big freakin deal. There are 10000000 ways to get spotted in this game. No one is railing to nerf Casper and he can have the entire enemy team spotted at once. Those that are yelling about the spotting ability being OP are probably the ones running and gunning and getting spotted and slowed down or killed. If spotting one person ON THE MINI MAP is OP, then you all better stop firing your weapons in game. That's OP too because it spots you and Casper has zero chance. The truth is that probably a large percentage of your deaths are happening when you're spotted in some way or another...
The real issue here is that it takes an act of congress to get any damage with it and it'll be 2042 before you can get him to T1...
@emerson1975 wrote:People talk like this turret somehow moves and engages you lol, it takes YOU to trigger it so maybe people should take a look around.
The run and gun cod players can’t be having someone actually using tactics and placing a turret in a good tactical spot!
And you talk like the turret is highlighted and easy to spot
It's definitly not
This isn't a tacitcal shooter, clearing every single angle is impossible
Stop trying to get the game to play itself for you and actually use your gun
@Echo6Echo wrote:All this talk about it being an "aim bot" and a "crutch" or "cheat" or whatever IMO is horse puckey. It spots one person on the mini map, (not wall hacked) and then takes an eternity to fire at that person and does little to no damage. Ok so it spots you...big freakin deal. There are 10000000 ways to get spotted in this game. No one is railing to nerf Casper and he can have the entire enemy team spotted at once. Those that are yelling about the spotting ability being OP are probably the ones running and gunning and getting spotted and slowed down or killed. If spotting one person ON THE MINI MAP is OP, then you all better stop firing your weapons in game. That's OP too because it spots you and Casper has zero chance. The truth is that probably a large percentage of your deaths are happening when you're spotted in some way or another...
The real issue here is that it takes an act of congress to get any damage with it and it'll be 2042 before you can get him to T1...
It's literally a crutch
Doesn't matter that right now it's bad, it's still a crutch
There's literally someone in this thread saying it's his only way to fight against squads of people in deathmatch, it's literally free HP, damage and info, how is that not a crutch?
Stop generalising people who don't like playing against a turret
Otherwise I should just explain how freaking braindead you people are for wanting the turret buffed
Comparing it to the Casper drone is straight up stupid, if everyone would play casper and play in their drone all game you will lose the game, if everyone plays Boris and place their turret and camp next to it they have a pretty good chance of winning especially on breakthrough defense. Also you actually need human inputs for the drone, the turret is ALWAYS watching and WILL spot you no matter how sneaky you are if you are in 65m range of the turret
If the problem is the mastery they should change the mastery, not make the game a chore to play so that acheivement hunters can feel proud of themselves for literally letting the game play itself
The people in this thread need to get a grip on reality, stop crying and get good
The turret is simply a * idea to put in an FPS like battlefield and anyone who doesn't recognize this is stupid
@InS_Hypno Thanks for your response. I won't debate this further with you because, yet again, as usual, you can't debate. You always personally attack and insult anyone who doesn't follow your exact line of thinking. Have a nice day or what's left of it. Peace out...
Don't put a trophy in the game for getting 2500 damage in a round with the turret and then nerf its ability to do damage shortly after the game is released.
I forget though that developer support for this series is all about catering to the whiners. That is why we can't have 128 player breakthrough or a Boris turret that actually does what it is supposed to do.
- @InS_Hypno Lol it’s a squad based team game primarily that involves defending and attacking and believe it or not plenty of us actually try and use tactics!
People like yourself just seemingly want to run around and press the shoot button…..there’s a game for that called COD If your going to have a turret in a game, it should be like the turrets from Aliens.
@emerson1975 wrote:
@InS_HypnoLol it’s a squad based team game primarily that involves defending and attacking and believe it or not plenty of us actually try and use tactics!
People like yourself just seemingly want to run around and press the shoot button…..there’s a game for that called CODYeah it's a squad based game yet you want to literally need no one to watch your flank or back you up, you want the game to do that by itself. Softening enemies for you and putting them directly into your mouth like a literal baby
To be honest since that time you argued Paik shouldn't be nerfed I hold your opinion as being worthless
- @InS_Hypno If you’re getting wrecked by turrets maybe you should start looking at your own play style and stop blaming everything else!
And yes paik should not of been nerfed just because her ability suited one map!
@emerson1975 wrote:
@InS_HypnoIf you’re getting wrecked by turrets maybe you should start looking at your own play style and stop blaming everything else!
And yes paik should not of been nerfed just because her ability suited one map!No where did I say I'm getting wrecked by turrets
Turrets on their own are and always will be nothing else than an annoyance unless the devs are dumb
It starts being really annoying when there are people next to the turret, for now it's manageable since there's a long enough delay to kill a player and the turret before taking damage but if that is no longer the case after the buff the turret will become the ultimate crutch
Maybe you stop relying on the game holding your hand and get good
No Mortars
No Claymores
Useless turret
No suppression
SMGs that are on the whole, better than any other class of weapons.
All so that the cryhard headless chickens can tryhard and boast about their epeens whilst turning the game into Team Death Match Conquest Large.
They have successfully sucked a lot of fun out of the game.....
Thank the Gods I used Boris first!
