Console players
Honestly, the aim assist is ridiculous. Xbox players kill me with just 3-5 shots, all the time. It Looks like the shots don't hit them. 90% of my kills are for xbox players. Aim Assist is very strong...
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@Ahhnuld I don't use anything illegal. Can I taste. I'm at the max rank in almost every game I play or have played. My aimlab where the pros train, I'm 19 points behind TenZ, who is the best Valorant player in the world. I have experience in other games. Anyway, don't tell me I wear something weird. I am totally against hacking, against macro, against any kind of aid to kill, including aim assist.
@TwiitchTV_NEIVFF I dont recognize you but I know Flexlanes and have seen him constantly racking up ridiculous scores without dying. I dont care how good you might be, the fact is that while you might get lucky and find a spot or position in the map that allows you to get a bunch of kills, the environment and changes in the flow of battle do not allow a person to consistently do that in every single game. Half the time I spawn right in from some sort of vehicle and I am instantly killed, either by a tank barrel or run over by a LAV4, heli strafing me, you name it.
- @Ahhnuld are you accusing me of being a cheater for killing too much?
- @TwiitchTV_NEIVFF I dont recognize you, but I will watch for you when I play. I have not been able to identify exactly how the advantage is being gained, but I do know that several specific players overperform in every single game and map, all the time. there is never a variance. I have actually seen 2 players not affiliated with any clan tag being invisible except for the tag above thier head.
- I agree with you, Xbox is too strong, aim assist is ridiculously strong, I'm getting massacred by them, about 5 shots
- @Ahhnuld thanks!
@TwiitchTV_NEIVFFI looked at your stats. Interesting to say the least. You use 2-3 vehicles and only one specialist and rifle the large majority of the time, so I get how you developed proficiency with those. What I cant wrap my head around is the high kill rate. Even if I try to go directly into where the bulk of fighting occurs, as soon as I fire and hit someone, I get killed form the side or behind. There is often no chance to kill and move back to cover. On occasions I will take out 3-4 in a row, but I always get killed shortly after. Most games I only stay in for 2-5 minutes if I am spawning and getting killed immediately without even being able to fire a shot. It takes me about 10 games before I find one where my team doesnt suck so bad and the flow of battle allows me to move without the enemy just hanging around in obscure areas just waiting for someone to walk by, instead of attacking and defending the objectives.
- @Ahhnuld I use falck because he has his syringe, so I equip him with a syringe and smoke grenade. With the smoke I can advance unnoticed, sometimes flanking. I use Sfar mainly for its high firepower, or sometimes PP, it has a lot of bullets so it allows me to kill 10 players inside a flag. I even wanted to leave one more comment, for me 50% of the attacking team should use smoke grenades, as this allows us to advance easily, many try to enter the objective without smoke, so they are easily knocked down.
@TwiitchTV_NEIVFFi asked discord friends and they say krag pub stacks so no wonder you starts are high but since krag stopped playing you have been having to solo queue so now you are complaining about aim assist instead of it just being you not getting high kills when teams aren't stacked in your favor.
- @Superjoexd we play every day, not all, but some, between 4 players. I'm not having difficulty, for me it's being normal, it's just boring to die by the console, the way I'm dying. I'm being evaporated by them very fast, in combat. Seems to kill insta, instantly I die as soon as I come face to face
@TwiitchTV_NEIVFF Again this is a ttk and game performance issue, not console players. Console players experience the same issues you do. The same stuff you've explained. I've had this happen from a pc player and console players alike. Don't understand why you refuse to accept that.
what most of you are describing is lag comp/hit detection/ttk issues not AA.
I’m just glad people are bringing up the fact that something is definitely off because of cross play.
As a PC player, it really does feel like console players are getting some sort of priority. I can plug in a controller, turn the sensitivity to max, and I still can’t replicate how people flip 180 on console. It’s like they’re given more time to react, while being on PC I’m several ticks behind them.
Aim assist is not the whole issue, but it’s definitely part of it. When the game officially released, my console buddies couldn’t miss with the Marksman rifles.I think the “snap to target” is a huge part of the problem. That’s the hardest part about aiming, I mean that’s what aiming is? If I have a bad position, over extend, I am slow to react, and a console player mows me down. I deserve that. If I’m peeking over the side of a building looking down, the console player eats 4-5 shots, then snaps onto me… then there’s something way off about that.
Like others have said. I’m not a potato. I have nearly a 5 KDR and a complete try hard. I’ve been playing shooters my whole life, and been playing BF since BFBC2.
@TwentyValve wrote:what most of you are describing is lag comp/hit detection/ttk issues not AA.
That’s a big part of it, but you can tell they’re landing some very tricky shots. If I get the jump on you from your side or behind you, even with lag, you shouldn’t be landing any shots on me. I’ve barely won so many 1v1 flights that I clearly had the advantage. Not only did I have better positioning, but I fired first, and landed all my shots. I guess what I’m trying to say is that console players seem to get onto target incredibly fast and accurately.
Is everyone on PC just ignoring the fact that console players experience all these issues too. It's a ttk and performance issues. Why do pc players refuse to accept that it's not aim assist 🤣
@ZRuff46 wrote:Is everyone on PC just ignoring the fact that console players experience all these issues too. It's a ttk and performance issues. Why do pc players refuse to accept that it's not aim assist 🤣
Probably becuse these issues got exponentially worse AFTER the patch where they 'fixed" aim-assist.
- @RaginSam what you're describing is a lag. for you it seems like they snapped to you but in actuality they didn't. I'd like to add, I have the same thing happening to me, and I'm on console. I can also confirm AA doesn't snap to, like people like to think. and it definitely doesn't snap to the head. not to mention how amazingly inconsistent it is. the only time I notice it working is when it pulls me off who I'm shooting cause someone ran behind them, and I die.
@TwentyValve wrote:
@RaginSamwhat you're describing is a lag. for you it seems like they snapped to you but in actuality they didn't. I'd like to add, I have the same thing happening to me, and I'm on console. I can also confirm AA doesn't snap to, like people like to think. and it definitely doesn't snap to the head. not to mention how amazingly inconsistent it is. the only time I notice it working is when it pulls me off who I'm shooting cause someone ran behind them, and I die.It’s not one or the other. It’s both was my point. The first step would be to figure out and fix whatever’s causing the discrepancy in what players are seeing versus what’s actually happening in the server. I agree with that.
Aim assist is still part of the issue though. Even with lag, and let’s say I’m a couple ticks behind the console player, their target acquisition and accuracy is insanely fast. Let’s say they had no assist whatsoever, they wouldn’t touch me with a single bullet if I had the drop on them with better positioning. Even if the server favored them.
I wouldn’t say this problem is exclusive to cross play, but it’s definitely way more noticeable and consistent being killed by console players. When I die to a PC player that seems kinda BS, it’s like okay that was quick, but they had the drop. With console players it has me constantly saying to myself no way! Some PC players are probably low key hacking as well.
@RaginSam Again what you described is a game performance issue, not aim assist. Just because you think they shouldn't have killed you, doesn't mean it's automatically aim assist thats the problem. I've killed plenty of people who have had the drop on me and better positioning than me and it was not because of aim assist. Also just because you think you had the drop on them doesn't mean you actually did. Plus the ttk in this game is very fast, so just because you have better positioning than the person doesnt mean they couldn't connect at least a couple shots since it takes only 1-4 bullets usually to kill. Since you can't see their camera view, or know what they hear or their skill level, or even how good of connection they have, you can't know what completely happened nor can you blame aim assist for it. The problem is PC players want aim assist to just go away completely which would give the majority of pc players an advantage over console players. PC players really need to stop automatically jumping to the conclusion that aim assist is the problem when it's not. Aim assist in BF2042 is awful. It's better than it was but it's still bad.
It's exactly the same with console players accusing PC players of cheating. They get a kill that literally made no sense and seem quite impossible and it's automatically, they had to be cheating when the majority of the time it's not the case.
- @ZRuff46 As a PC player and forum call girl, I’ve been pretty confident I think in pointing out that the vast majority of issues are Dice related. Y’all keep reiterating the same limits over and over, and so far there has been no consensus. I never played against consoles until 2042, crossplay between consoles and PC didn’t exist until this train wreck. I was glad to have the expanded player base. I will say for one last time, that since the 2.1 update the fact is that PC players are getting melted by consoles. 2.1 introduced the new AA. Ergo, AA has been adjusted in a way that seems unfair to PC players. I’m an average casual player in my 50s. I pull about a 2 for KD, while I remember fondly playing in BFBC2 comp and winning a a league once with ATF clan. I don’t have the time to go hard anymore, and I cool with that. I don’t give a rat’s butt what my KD is and don’t think a high or low KD means a bloody thing to this conversation. The consistent theme is that PC players don’t have the multiple advantages that consoles get to compensate for the controller interface. I used to die pretty consistently to both PC and Consoles. Since 2.1, which tweaked the mouse and AA, I am 90%+ dying only to consoles. I can’t explain that. You can’t explain that. Dice are the ones who should be explaining and as they have shown us all the last 10 months, they don’t care and won’t be explaining it. Live service apparently doesn’t include comms in their own forums with their own player base. Maybe they tweeted about it. I don’t know Krag clan, but I do know AoD and someone posted about them cheating. That’s BS, I played with and against them a lot and never saw that as a thing. Occasionally the odd player cheats, even in my own ATF clan. They quickly get caught and booted. Show some proof or close your mouth disparaging good players. Between AA, snap, reduced recoil may be necessary, we don’t know that. Something changed significantly in 2.1 to the detriment of PC players and we are not happy about it. We all suffer from desync, lag, poor net code, low end Amazon servers, etc etc. Those are facts. PC and Consoles are both being incredibly poorly served by Dice and EA. Doesn’t change the other fact that since 2.1 something changed. Call it whatever you want, it’s too much.
@ATFGunr But as a player who has played with aim assist and without it, it helps a bit but not that much to give an advantage to console. You claim you are always being killed by console players, well i die way more often to PC players than i do console players. The majority of the player base consist of console players so of course you're gonna get killed by console players more than PC players. But most pc players refuse to even acknowledge what I'm saying. I'm sure there are a lot of pc players you are always call aim assist as the problem but yet they have never actually used a controller and haven't experienced how the aim assist feels on this game. Aim assist is not the issue
- @ZRuff46My post was too long, sorry. You must not have read all of it as I specifically say I don’t think it’s only aim assist. There’s two camps on this issue and neither is willing to budge. It’s too bad, as if we worked together to demand Dice fix these issues we’d do better. If you can’t find a sliver of possibility that aim assist contributes to the problem then we’re done talking. Lol we all know forum discussions change people’s opinions right? I also look at the players in game now when I log in, if it’s not roughly 50/50 PC & console I bail and try another MM. sometimes takes 2-3 but eventually I find one with majority PC or a close equal ratio.
@ATFGunr No I get what you're saying I absolutely want them to fix the all the issues pc is facing with mouse input and game performance, etc. But removing aim assist from console or even decreasing its effect would put the balance between pc and console players at a more unfair advantage than it already is . Even with aim assist active, a lot of pc players have better aim than most console players since it's a bit easier to aim. But even though you still don't think aim assist has nothing to do with this which I disagree with, I respect and appreciate the fact that you are aware that there are other issues involved with this. There's a lot of people who refuse to accept that it may be something else that is causing the issues they are experiencing.
- @ZRuff46 So far Dice has done a number of shadow “fixes” in the game. We don’t know it’s aim assist, we don’t know that it’s not aim assist. It could be the combined affect of all of the compensation factors consoles have to make controllers competitive against M&K. I want a level playing field too, if I win based on skill then cool, and if I lose too that’s ok. The overall game right now is strongly tilted to consoles and it’s going to drive players away. Dice could solve this with a review and some basic comments, but haven’t shown an inclination to do so. Sad.
@ATFGunr It will be hard for them to really find a solution to this anyways because either way, it will make the other side angry. They will most likely lean towards the larger player base which would be console. Of course that's not fair to PC players but they are stuck between a rock and a hard place so I can't blame them for wanting to keep their biggest player base
- @ZRuff46 Oh I blame them. They wouldn’t have this game without PC. I know money talks and * walks, a complete lack of loyalty to a segment of their players will resound. Don’t forget, if they’re willing to screw over PC, it’s not a big leap to where consoles are next. Dice better step up. Maybe we’ll talk to the steamers and enlist their help as they’re the only ones Dice listens to.
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