DICE Team
Reducing number of vehicles. How's that going to reduce the walking simulator aspect? Wouldn't you want to increase the number of vehicles? A step backwards don't you think?
DICE Team
@larry_54235 wrote:
Reducing number of vehicles. How's that going to reduce the walking simulator aspect? Wouldn't you want to increase the number of vehicles? A step backwards don't you think?
That is indeed something we're looking to address. As outlined in the blog, by working towards ensuring that there are more transport vehicles active on the map. However, increasing the number of active vehicles on the map isn’t something we can do as a short term solution as this has the potential to impact our separate work on improving game performance, but we do hear you on this and want to do what we can to approach the problem from different angles.
Our further intent is to shift which type of vehicles can be available. In short, we're reducing the focus of which vehicles you encounter by shifting the Nightbird and Bolte into attack. This opens up more slots for transport vehicles to become available.
Another part of that change is reviewing if we can restrict the call-in system to only light vehicles and Ranger. This would mean that attack vehicles would now only be available via the Deploy Screen, alongside helicopters.
@edgecrusherO0 wrote:
@larry_54235 No, vehicle spam is bad and isn't a solution to the problem of traversal. Civilian vehicles would help, but it's still not a fix alone. There need to be map changes, and IMO DICE should very much be considering more spawn points beyond just your squad/captured points. With maps being so much bigger now, we need additional spawn locations, but I guess that's not on the table.
Correct, the changes we're intending to make for vehicles aren't a single solution for traversal, but will help address parts of that problem, as well as Intensity.
@FashionMax wrote:Cover and Line of Sight -Honestly, all of this is great. We'll just have to wait and see how these changes affect player activity and movement once the updates are live. My one BIG hope is that these aren't the only changes being made to Kaleidoscope and Renewal, but that these are just examples of things being changed that you have done so far, with the intention to implement more cover and line of sight blockers at/between each objective on each map.
You wrote a lot of great feedback, so thank you for that! Sorry for shortening that in my response, but I wanted to call out the most important bit here in bold.
Yes, there are more changes we're making for these maps that we didn't show in this blog. Especially for terrain elevation, images didn't do the changes justice. For example, we'll have more terrain elevation to block Line of Sight but you don't really notice that until you are physically running up a hill and notice that you now find yourself hidden from enemy fire, versus how it used to be.
@Joe234567891011 wrote:
Looks like they are catering to the anti vehicle crowd. That makes me very unhappy. Vehicles are the entire reason I play the game in the first place. That cooldown time is insane along with less vehicles on the map. Battlefield was built on combined arms. Will give it a shot but ultimately these decisions will make me uninstall after 400 hours of fun
We'll have the vehicle changes as part of our next game update, so please try them out and let us know what you think. Overall, we learned from feedback that vehicle combat was too overwhelming and intense on most occasions; e.g. too many, and too often. Vehicles will still be there, but the overwhelming intensity should be addressed with these changes.
Accessibility to vehicles was something I just gave up on. And this change on first impressions is likely to make it worse.
my reference point is BF4. Vehicles were pretty well balanced. With a team you could survive pretty well, but up against an organised infantry you could easily wipe out.
on 2042, getting a vehicle is near on impossible, I just gave up bothering. The time out is just dumb. It totally spoils the flow as a vehicle driver. I expect that as a squad on comms you can organise a team to dominate vehicle spawns making it a lot easier to get a good vehicle based game going. But on your own, forget it.
also, I always switch between ground or air secondary weapons.
Neither of which I’ve been able to effectively use. Planes are Almost always hitting the deck and flying out of bounds, which is fair enough, good pilots will use the environment.
But when they don’t or they make a mistake, or I’ve prepared well in advance for a decent vantage point it’s for the most part pointless waist of time.. Missile lock range is too short. Most of the time even with a lock and no flares or defences having coaxed them out before firing, the missiles would just shoot off randomly.
even when I do get a hit, it’s hard to tell if it’s had any real effect. For the most part it requires other players or planes to be engaged to get a confirmed kill.
so until squad play is improved and comms enabled, as a lone player, it’s overall just quite disappointing not at all satisfying playing to take vehicles down.
Personally I don’t think 128 player servers will ever be balancable from a vehicle point of view. You need more vechicles. Not less. So with 128 players, I just don’t see that working, especially if for performance reasons you can’t add more tanks.
You are exactly right! Completely ridiculous that they want to reduce the amount of armored vehicles and helis! Its already so damn hard to get a tank and now they want to reduce that amount and increase cool down?! They will destroy vehicle gameplay with those changes! 2 tanks per team of 128 player severs thats so god damn awful!!! Previous battlefield games had more tanks per team on 64 players and you're telling me they want to make it even less... These maps need more vehicles (Tanks, transport, etc) not less! They will lose the core battlefield fans who enjoy the combine arms of vehicle gameplay!
@Joe234567891011 wrote:Looks like they are catering to the anti vehicle crowd. That makes me very unhappy. Vehicles are the entire reason I play the game in the first place. That cooldown time is insane along with less vehicles on the map. Battlefield was built on combined arms. Will give it a shot but ultimately these decisions will make me uninstall after 400 hours of fun
We'll have the vehicle changes as part of our next game update, so please try them out and let us know what you think. Overall, we learned from feedback that vehicle combat was too overwhelming and intense on most occasions; e.g. too many, and too often. Vehicles will still be there, but the overwhelming intensity should be addressed with these changes.
@Straatford87 So then make an infantry only gamemode to cater to those players. Emphasize and incentivize vehicle on vehicle combat more to take some of the focus of the vehicles away from the infantry. There should be epic dogfights and tank battles. That won't be possible with the limited vehicle pool. You are punishing an avid part of your fanbase in favor of those who likely won't even come back to the game. If that is the approach all the vehicle players that are left are going to leave the game and uninstall. We want more vehicles not less. The long cooldown time and low vehicle count is just simply not something I can stomach. It makes the game unplayable. The cooldown is already awful at 60 secs. This is turning into an infantry only game and if that is what I wanted to play there are much better games out there for that specifically than 2042. Vehicles are the differentiator and always have been. I'm here because I love flying helis and driving tanks, but obviously players like me aren't valued. So why even bother sticking around? This franchise is no longer made for players like me after 17 years. It is sad, but that is the reality.
Completely agree with you 100%. They are punishing vehicle players like me, you, and thousands more. I will also uninstall this game if they make those changes! These maps are bigger than any other battlefield game. How the hell are you going to give us less vehicles than previous battlefield games with 64 players?! This is a complete * joke! We need more tanks and transports! Heli count is fine right now and jets should be put into their own category. This is all out warfare, not infantry only warfare. Create a separate mode for the players who are complaining about vehicles. Can you believe the biggest map in the game only has 3 tanks per team... And panzerstorm on BF5 had 7 per team.... What the hell are you thinking DICE!?
@Straatford87Why are the vehicle spawn time and number being reduced in conquest as well? Conquest and breakthrough are very different game types that need different balancing. The "intensity" of breakthrough should be reduced because it focuses combat in one area.
Conquest does not have this problem as if one area of the map has too much intensity and too many vehicles, simply flank and move to a different area where the enemy team isn't defending as well. Conquest has always been a matter of too many plates to spin at once. Spread too thin, and you lose points, focus on one point, and you lose other points. And 128p conquest works just fine with the current number of tanks and current respawn time.
PLEASE don't make these vehicle spawn time and number changes to conquest. It will make that mode dull and lacking variety if vehicles are even more restricted on these large maps. I agree with the direction for breakthrough and I think breakthrough should be a more infantry focused mode, but a majority infantry conquest is not the right direction.
Additionally if you have large vehicles spawn only at the team spawn point I hope the team has some plan in place to avoid jets camping the spawn. Personally I think it might be a better option to airdrop some heavy vehicles on capture points in conquest when you capture it as a reward. Maybe 50/50 split between base spawn and spawns on capture points?
Last point - increase squad size to 6 or 8 players. Gives more spawn on squad availability for infantry, helps reduce the amount of time spent running to get where you want. Maybe there's a technical limitation, but this would be a huge improvement. It would help more people play together as well.
Are they just making the sectors war torn or will the entire map have that feeling at some point?
i understand that would take time to do. Are you guys starting with the objectives first then moving to the rest of the map?
