Delete Specialists, Delete the Maps
I hate all out warfare because of the specialists and the awful map design. The graphics are also a whole separate issue that I'm not going to talk about. But Dice, please delete these two massive pr...
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@dirtytamato
They have to shut down this game for a year, and make it BATTLEFIELD in this time.
They have to shut down this game for a year, and make it BATTLEFIELD in this time.
@FatFranz
You are free to just back to whatever BF in the series is a BF to you .. and stop requesting things that no ones want beside a handfull of overly vocal and totally unrealistic players .. Who ask each and everyones of them a different " Vision " of what they call battlefield ...
Ive played BF for longer than pretty much anyones on these forums .. And sorry but beside breakaway and Kaleidoscope the maps are very good for conquest WICH IS THE true BF experience ...
Also in find this BF to be the best BF they ever made since BF2 ... BF3 was not bad per say neither BF4 but they were not as good as BF2042 in so many aspect ..
Some maps needs improovement here and there .. So balance issues need to be adressed here and there ... But DICE dosnt have to shut the game or fundamentally changed it ...
They created PORTAL just for peoples like these who want BF 2042 to be a carbon copy of old tittle .... Portal offer almost unlimited possibility ... But you know the truth ? Almost no ones want to play these even if they put lots of effort into the modable aspect .. Why ?
Because most peoples who dont spend a seconds on forums actually enjoy the base game more than these " Users created modes " wich they might play for an hour or so every now and then ..
Now the " Target audience " they had for portal want to force everyones into the " OLD " experience because they cant get populated servers for their " vision " of what BF should be .. Thats the reality
BF2042 base game is very much a battlefield wich at its core is a COnquest type game with combines arms gameplay , Air , Ground and infantry troops battltling out ! .
You are free to just back to whatever BF in the series is a BF to you .. and stop requesting things that no ones want beside a handfull of overly vocal and totally unrealistic players .. Who ask each and everyones of them a different " Vision " of what they call battlefield ...
Ive played BF for longer than pretty much anyones on these forums .. And sorry but beside breakaway and Kaleidoscope the maps are very good for conquest WICH IS THE true BF experience ...
Also in find this BF to be the best BF they ever made since BF2 ... BF3 was not bad per say neither BF4 but they were not as good as BF2042 in so many aspect ..
Some maps needs improovement here and there .. So balance issues need to be adressed here and there ... But DICE dosnt have to shut the game or fundamentally changed it ...
They created PORTAL just for peoples like these who want BF 2042 to be a carbon copy of old tittle .... Portal offer almost unlimited possibility ... But you know the truth ? Almost no ones want to play these even if they put lots of effort into the modable aspect .. Why ?
Because most peoples who dont spend a seconds on forums actually enjoy the base game more than these " Users created modes " wich they might play for an hour or so every now and then ..
Now the " Target audience " they had for portal want to force everyones into the " OLD " experience because they cant get populated servers for their " vision " of what BF should be .. Thats the reality
BF2042 base game is very much a battlefield wich at its core is a COnquest type game with combines arms gameplay , Air , Ground and infantry troops battltling out ! .
- @Stew360 Stop saying you played this game longer than anyone else... I started the series with BF1942 Beta/demo. Doesn't make my opinion any better than someone who started with BF3...
If you think this is the best BF they ever made than you're in a very serious minority... Maybe this is exactly what YOU wanted out of a BF game, which again, is fair and your opinion. But MOST of the BF community did NOT want this hero-shooter wannabe...@Daeyon-beThere is no such thing as a BF homogeneous community ... All BF games were vastly different on so many level even BF2 and BF2 modern combat on xbox were vastly different on so many level yet they were both combine arms BFgames ...
BFBC and BF2 were insanely different on so many level even BFBC2 and BFBC1 were totally different on like hundreads of points yet were both BF games ...
Most BF2 players hated BF3 and called it out a COD games and so on and on and on and on ...
Everyone in what you call BF " COmmunity " all have vastly different expectation and so on .. Some wanted BF to be more realistic , some others want it more arcady . Some want totally destructible environments some others hates it and want more undestructibles covers ..
Some want 120mm tanks to have fixed rotation speed .. Some want back the arcady turret speed thst moove at mouse speed etc..etc..
For some BFV mechanics etc..is the gold standards for others irs BF2 others BF2142 others its BFBC2 others BF3 some others BF4 and some others None of the past BF ..
So sorry but there as never ever been a consensus about what BF should be next . wich BF should get a sequel .. Wich mechanics should go trough and so on... There has never ever been a BF who wasnt heavily criticized at launch on all level and BF2042 is no different Yet its as much a BF game as any other BF games who made things different .. BF2 , Bf2 Mc , BFBC , BF2142 , BF3 etc..
@Daeyon-be wrote:
@Stew360Stop saying you played this game longer than anyone else... I started the series with BF1942 Beta/demo. Doesn't make my opinion any better than someone who started with BF3...
If you think this is the best BF they ever made than you're in a very serious minority... Maybe this is exactly what YOU wanted out of a BF game, which again, is fair and your opinion. But MOST of the BF community did NOT want this hero-shooter wannabe...Me too! I was 10 Years old when I started playing. lol i used to have a blast, and was excited to have my son join me and my dad, but the game is just too unplayable.
I was really disappointed with the specialist. If I wanted that I would have played a different game. I play battlefield for that core battlefield experience. I do feel as though it is ok to have options and I want people to be able to play the way they want. The more people the better, but I wish they would have left out the specialist, or made a game mode with working XP for those of us that don't like specialist. I'm fine with portal but I can't get any XP that way and I like to level up.
- @Umami1981 Most of the community feels the same. They seriously need to change this game for the better
Since I have only played the beta, I am a little cautious of commenting on maps. But BF was built as a vehicle game on big maps. And as I see it, BF returns to this concept with BF2042.
So why is this not a true BF game in terms of mapdesign. Is it because the current player base want small / medium size maps with 10 sec between each flag.
Like I said, I'm not taking a stand. I'm just curious.
- @SirBobdk Its not the distance that's the issue of the maps, they just lack decent cover or in-between area's where the close combat can happen.
The way its designed now just feels like: Alright. We have vehicles. They should be able to reach everywhere so lets make points nice and open. Its fine to have vehicles on points but at some spots it renders infantry just being target practice.- @Daeyon-be
Yes, that was also my view after the beta. I liked the size, but there was really a lack of cover. However, this is something DICE should be able to fix.
I'm going to buy the game at some point. But like many others, I also think there is a lot to be done before the game is where it should be. I hope it's going to happen.
@SirBobdk wrote:Since I have only played the beta, I am a little cautious of commenting on maps. But BF was built as a vehicle game on big maps. And as I see it, BF returns to this concept with BF2042.
So why is this not a true BF game in terms of mapdesign. Is it because the current player base want small / medium size maps with 10 sec between each flag.
Like I said, I'm not taking a stand. I'm just curious.
The maps are also just boring. There is nothng special about them. Everything is clean and nice, cars parked everywhere, yet if all the vehicles are in use, you have to walk all over the map. Even in 64-player maps you sometimes have to walk around 300 meters after being forced to spawn at the start of the match to the first objective.
Another problem is, that vehicles can farm everything, if there is not at least one squad abusing the soflam + rocket launchers. Jets are for example so fast, they can easily have endless runs on AA-vehicles, since the can just flair all the time and fly away from the lock-on. Good chopper pilots can do the same, as the lock-on stops, as soon as even the smallest thing is in your line of sight.
- @SirBobdk We jumped into 1942 last night to see what the fuss was about and I have to say, there was no real difference in terms of this mythical 'cover' between El Alamein and Hourglass for example.
Both have large open expanses of 'nothing'!
Although there is no real direct comparison, the same with Battle of the Bulge. (I also noticed that the church is the same as BFV and the windmill is from BF1!).
Not saying these maps are bad in and of themselves but in terms of cover, not that much different from BF2042 maps.
It just seems that the 'community' want large maps but don't want to travel far with loads of detail that isn't cluttered and has loads of cover that can be destroyed.- @Trokey66 I'm surprised at how torn the community is, it's really embarrassing.
People claim it's not Battlefield but forgot where the series started and what the maps were like.
- @Stew360 This was an extremely immature post. Your officially stating you've played BF longer then pretty much anyone in the forums...ok? Data to back that up, or grabbed out your hind end? Also, why would that matter? Also, your opinions on the maps are very much your own. I don't agree with that at all.
This is the best BF since 2? Better in so many aspects? What aspects? You just ended it there with nothing to support it. What aspects make 2042 better?
You're saying a lot of stuff without anything to back up whatever points you're trying to make. You're trying to make 'smart' looking statements and posts with nothing in it but a feeling of "Cause I said so". If you want to criticize, give reasons why or no one is going to take anything you said seriously. "BF2042 base game is very much a battlefield" Yeah nah that's wrong lol, the maps are terrible and noone ever expected trash specialist to completely replace Assault, Support, Engineer, and Recon. The specialist and garbage maps and lack of weapons is what has ruined this game, it may have sold well but I don't think I've seen a game population die out so quick.
You praising this game would be in the minority of people who actually like it.
Maps are not terrible, and gunplay is good after Update 3. We need content and more modes. It's that simple. The drop in player base is not because the game sucks, but because people are waiting for content. Battle Pass is incoming with more guns. People have nothing to do right now.
- @Incogn1too_zZz The maps are terrible that is not an opinion it's a FACT, if you like them good for you but they're the worst in the franchise by far.
100% agree, been there since 1942 and loved BF3 and BF4 but this really Rocks, I have it on PC and PS5 and genuinely love it.
