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Turret should be removed from game in current useless state or modified into a paintball shooting device that splatters enemy soldiers in red paint as they do not have the ability to do damage anymore, let alone kill a player with even half health.
It is YOUR job to kill the player, not the turret. It pointed, shot and ID'd the player. If that is not enough for you to kill them, you should try another FPS
The fact that Boris turret could only mark one player at a time, and the Casper drone can mark a hundred of players a minute leads me to believe the Boris turret was nerfed into oblivion due to it killing new players who have limited movement ability.
Caspers drone is destroyed with 1 shot. Caspers drone is AA's. Caspers drone is marked with a red dot. Casper Drone does not have an infinite amount of ammo.
Plus Ji-Soo Paik can easily highlight a dozen players at once in bright red yet there is no turret to shoot at them, so it would seem a few players got upset because something not human killed them and Dice responded, yet again weird as the Ranger has five times the health and three times the firepower than the pre-nerf Boris turret. And if the Boris turret was so crazy over-powered, why so few Boris players with T1 skins, I've only seen a couple in hundreds of hours of gameplay...
You mean people got upset because you didnt have to play to get your ratings? IMAGINE THAT! Paik still has to kill you. Has to land all her shots before you. Has far less health then your turret did.
That said, I guess the good news is Dice has nerfed both Angel and Boris into oblivion and made them "normal soldiers", so now only eight more to go and we can have our legacy non-specialist Battlefield franchise back. So perhaps all the super nerfing is a grand master plan to give players what they wanted in the first place???
Your beef is you cannot drop AI and have it out perform players. Really!? Why are you even playing if you wish the game to play for you? No AI should be more powerful then the player. No unattended machine should operate on its own and you get credit simply because you dropped or summoned it.
Boris and Angel are still viable. Casper isnt. However, this is the third nerf of a "specialist". Further proof DICE wants VehicleField2042.
@Padding_Ur_StatsIt’s your job to not run around like a headless chicken and maybe work with a team.
If your getting blasted by the turret maybe your the problem, you see dice had this obvious concept that this is a squad based team game so let’s put a very basic scenario down for you…Nice 4 man squad come upon a turret so one member plays a decoy whilst the other player or players blast it because it can’t independently track and shoot 2 different players! This is a very basic tactic my 12 year old uses!
@emerson1975The turrets and the rangers are big mistakes from Dice. The shooting in BF needs to be done by players, not AI.
The turrets were becoming way overused and players became way to stationary when using them. We need people to move around the map not camp everywhere. I know some people say that is "COD-game-play", but in reality BF-games have always worked, by having people moving around the map and capturing flags (or at least running around killing enemies).
And being a 'headless chicken' is impossible to avoid, when turrets spots instantly and through walls and terrain - it is almost impossible the see them before they see you.
And regarding drones, the spotting in this game is totally over the top. Audio spot, spotting grenades, spotting drones, spotting turrets, spotting specialists. The spotting makes playing as infantry much less fun than it needs to be. BF4 had this issue but in 2042 it is really totally out of control. Again why do we need these "passive wallhacks", players need to use their eyes and ears (if the sound worked)...
@cso7777“Shooting should be done by players” says who?
Borris had one ability and that was it lol and it’s easily countered by a simple gun! So once it’s gone he’s basically a bot and it’s obvious he’s going to be stationary because he’s going to make the most of his ability by being within turret circle….is it so hard killing a stationary target?
You are just like every other boris hater ….you want to play this game like some call of duty big tdm game!
@emerson1975If your getting blasted by the turret maybe your the problem,
Because running around a corner is a problem? Applying this statement to other specialist nerfs, If you're in a tank and you're blown up by a drone with C5, maybe you're the problem. After all, all you had to do was move your tank.
you see dice had this obvious concept that this is a squad based team game so let’s put a very basic scenario down for you…
Not all of us have the convenience of having a group that cooperate. You're presumption that this is the state of the game is a bit obtuse since there are many threads complaining that pugs do not work as a team.
Nice 4 man squad come upon a turret so one member plays a decoy whilst the other player or players blast it because it can’t independently track and shoot 2 different players! This is a very basic tactic my 12 year old uses!
Ah the elementary simile implying I am not bright. Let me add some facts. I am not always preceded by a player as your 12 y/o has you running in front of him running interference. That being said, no AI should have the full outright kill ability. That is your 12 y/o's job, not the turret. If your 12 y/o cannot do that, then maybe you should wait until he can play on that level. Nerfing AI to force PLAYERS to get their kills is the right move. The game isnt for AI, it is for players.
@emerson1975 wrote:@Padding_Ur_StatsIt’s your job to not run around like a headless chicken and maybe work with a team.
If your getting blasted by the turret maybe your the problem, you see dice had this obvious concept that this is a squad based team game so let’s put a very basic scenario down for you…Nice 4 man squad come upon a turret so one member plays a decoy whilst the other player or players blast it because it can’t independently track and shoot 2 different players! This is a very basic tactic my 12 year old uses!
i think borris should be further nerfed. the automatic operation should be removed. it should be a gun emplacement that the user has to enter similar to a machine gun
@DeepSixxxx I assume you run Casper.
I used too.
I ran 5-6 games of TDM hardcore last night and the drone got shot down once, only because I took it down from 300 meters to 10 meters to mess with a few players inside a building.
Not sure I believe you because part of the nerf was a range nerf to 150 meters. Now if a patch put it back to 300, I am not aware.
Basically you can fly so high, nobody seems to see the drone or be able to shoot it.
I must be a marksman because I blow up about 3-4 drones a game. Also, they can be targeted by AA which wont miss.
And like I said, players quit as they got slaughtered and I've never seen that before. But hey, 50 assist kills and first place is better than an auto turret doing 30% damage on players with poor movements skillsets, right?
Oh a comparison! I am game. Drones do not kill. Someone else sees the red dot and kills them. Unlike the turret that lights em up and kills them. The drone takes 1 bullet to down. The Turret took more then one clip and probably kills you if you didnt duck and reload.
Once the nerf-a-thon starts, it never ends...your specialist is next, only a matter of time.
My specialist was first. Look for the thread What Did Casper do to You. I detail the nerfs there. Casper's abilities were far from OP. Yet the nerf hammer made him unplayable. His detection suit and cover is still good if youre sniping in a greenland area, but other then that, the drone isn't all that useful.
And that will be a good thing as ApeX specialists should never have been placed inside a BF game. And now EA/Dice now have the "Battlefield Flop" (per Bloomberg front page news) $200 million hit to earnings in which Wall Street blamed BF "FLOP"....due to a game launched 6 months too early and Apex specialist that nobody really wanted...
I played Casper for a week after the nerf. I kept track of what the changed did. Stats are in my thread. To synopsize, I played over 50+ games that week. 29% of my drones never achieve altitude because they were shot at take off. Now my stats differ then yours, but comparably, I played 10 times the games. That being said, both of our data is anecdotal to DICE.
I liked the game before they started making it VehicleField2042. As far as Angels armor nerfs, I classify those in the same category as Caspers. Over reaction to someone's whining. Capser or Angel were not OP or were imbalancing the game in any way. The turret nerf is a correction. AI should never be stronger then Player Base. Simply dropping something and it operating on its own capacity takes zero skill and a player is getting credited for something he is not personally operating. That would be like dropping a drone and it would fly around and blow things up without the operating doing anything.
@Padding_Ur_StatsSee lol your a tdm player that just consists of run around and shoot!
Breakthrough and conquest are not even remotely comparable but you wanted boris nerfed for the benefit of YOUR game not THE game!
I remember playing killzone 2 with air sentry’s and stationary sentry’s and absolutely nobody complained because we realised this isn’t call of duty!
300 m? Think you are lying or just deluded because casper's drone has a max range of about 150 m. Also, unlike Boris sentry, you actually have to control the drone; if you leave drone somewhere it will only mark enemies that happen to be where the centre of drone vision is pointing, which is a small region. Sure, you might get tons of assists if you spend whole game just marking players - but that's obviously a good thing because you're helping your teammates. Casper's drone is fine.
@Metal_Daryl97300 m? Think you are lying or just deluded because casper's drone has a max range of about 150 m.
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Deluded probably, maybe even delusional at times but don't worry, it is completely legal in my state. Even so, think of a 3/4/5 right triangle. 150 m is not the limit of the distance one can spot players as you can be 150 m high but you do not have to be directly above the player, you can be another 100 m or more horizontally away form the player, so the player has to shoot further than 150 meters to destroy the drone. It is less than 300 m, more than 150 m...and good god I'm feeling the munchies right now...
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@Metal_Daryl97you spend the whole game just marking players - but that's obviously a good thing because you're helping your teammates. Casper's drone is fine.
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I recently screenshot a TDM scorecard in which I got first place out of 32 players, with zero kills an 99 spot kill assists...and no, it was not a good thing IMHO. Zero kills and 99 spot kill assists using a Casper drone, and I've only used Casper for two nights yet I'm at T3 already. Basically our TDM team had been losing the match by 20 points early in game, so I drop Casper in an impossible to find location (every map has them), I don't move the entire game, I spotted 257 players according to the mastery T1/T5 counter, and get 99 spotting kill assists, and end up first place on the scoreboard out of 32 players after we win 200 to 108.
I stopped running Casper the next game as it was kind of insane and completely boring placing a red dot on 4-8 players at once, not even needing to pull a trigger like Rao, just "look" in the direction of the enemies and magic red light bulbs turn on and they get shot by 2-3 teammates almost instantly. In the end they literally were forced to crawl out of spawn as the Map was Renewal (open map). It felt dirty and very "automated" but I did take a shower soon afterwards and stopped using the Casper drone in TDM as it was kind of boring to be honest. Perhaps in AOW it is a better match, but in TDM it felt like cheating...
And to think the Boris turret marked a single player, perhaps 10-20 TOTAL during the entire game in TDM (not 257), and only marked them for Boris and not the entire 16 player team...I'd wager one Casper is worth 6-8 Boris players now and a lot of players will start playing Casper instead of Boris as the turret would be more useful now if it actually shot paintballs, no joke...
So ask yourself when the next patch Nerf-A-Thon hits your gaming machine, how could 99 spot assist KILLS in a 200 ticket TDM game be fair and balanced??? It would have been more balanced if Angel could drop armor at spawn for other players to escape the Casper drone without death, and Boris could drop a turret that could do actual damage at spawn to help his team get out of spawn before being slaughtered, but once the nerf-a-thon hits a few specialist, it has the "unintended consequence" of increasing the abilities of the non-nerfed specialists until they too are requested by players to be nerfed into oblivion...perpetual nerfing until the game becomes numb and boring, very common actually...
Yet is that a bad thing as basically what is happening is all the specialist are slowly being Nerfed into actual soldiers instead of APEX fantasy warriors. Only 5-6 more to nerf yet in the end, this could bring back the Battlefield legacy...TBD...
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In summary don't hate the player, hate the specialist...👿
