EA/DICE respond to backlash
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I know that I have an unpopular opinion about this topic but I’m 100% with the Developers here.
And yes, the behaviour of some of the so-called veterans, so-called OG Fans and so-called real Battlefield Fans is ungrateful. I guess that these people are all grown up Adults when they playing the franchise for 10 to 20 years now, depending when they got into the franchise. But they don’t act like adults more like kids that got denied their candies. If they don't behave even worse than kids with their insults, threats and disrespectful comments.
Then the expectation of these so called "fans" that the developer "must" designed the game in the way they want it and not like the way the Developers sees it.
So, I ask you who are you that you have the right to request such things?
As a player, we can express our wishes and it is great if they are taken into account but in my humble opinion, we have no right that a game has to be developed the way we want it to be.
And the cherry on tops the beloved “content creators” and espacialy some “BF only content creators” which are so ungrateful to a franchise that has given them an income for years that some of them could easily live from.
Don’t get me wrong I have respect if you can make your living from your hobby like playing a game and entertain people with it but when you don’t like things do critique with manors.
But no, they get tangled up as if it is a personal affront to them that the game is now going a different direction.
And instead of admitting to them self “hey the game is not to my taste” they are mobilizing their Minion Army to start a shitstorm on a scale like we have never seen before and spread hatred and negativity on social media.
The reviews on some platforms are a farce and many of them are copy and paste because it seems to me that these “minions” are not able to build their own opinion anymore.
I have said this before and I say it again here, that I was and in some parts I still be ashamed to be part of this community.
It is incomprehensible to me that many here complaining about things that were never advertised and about things which were so clear after the public BETA.
Then still to buy a game if you already know in which direction it will go (and you know that you don’t like it) and then still have the expectations that the personal taste and preferences will be met. And then complaining that they have burned money... then I ask you, have you been forced to buy this game after information we all got from the Beta?
Then the complains bout that the developers are not changing and patching things fast enough and that they have gone on vacation.
I think BF2042 has more patches received in the first 5 weeks of release than any other Battlefield before.
Also, they have listened and gave us 64 player conquest and 64 play Breakthru.
Even then, many had nothing better to do than complain that the maps are garbage, the balance is stupid and so on.
Yes, it is a bummer that games have issues on release but I’m not able to design, program and realise a game.
With my little knowledge in programming, I know how complicated is to Program even the simplest things sometimes.
So, Patience is a Virtue and I’m willing to wait and give DICE more time.
Sorry for my rant but I think sometimes we all should be a little bit more thank full, also we are still talking about a video game.
See you on the battle field
@CountSero Let me put it in another perspective.
You have bought and owned a car of a specific model for years and been more than happy about it.
Later on your car gets old and you want a new one.
Why not buy the new model from the same maker that has been advertised.
You go to the car dealer and see the new car. (game trailer)
It looks nice and reminds a lot about the old cars but with updated features.
You decide to buy it.
But then on delivery you get a bicycle because it's popular at the moment.
Should you not have the right to ask why you got something else than what you thought you ordered and paid for?
Or should you just use the bike and hope that they will turn it to the car you wished for in a couples of years?
You have bought and owned a car of a specific model for years and been more than happy about it.
Later on your car gets old and you want a new one.
Why not buy the new model from the same maker that has been advertised.
You go to the car dealer and see the new car. (game trailer)
It looks nice and reminds a lot about the old cars but with updated features.
You decide to buy it.
But then on delivery you get a bicycle because it's popular at the moment.
Should you not have the right to ask why you got something else than what you thought you ordered and paid for?
Or should you just use the bike and hope that they will turn it to the car you wished for in a couples of years?
@MurkaZzz wrote:
@CountSeroLet me put it in another perspective.
You have bought and owned a car of a specific model for years and been more than happy about it.
Later on your car gets old and you want a new one.
Why not buy the new model from the same maker that has been advertised.
You go to the car dealer and see the new car. (game trailer)
It looks nice and reminds a lot about the old cars but with updated features.
You decide to buy it.
But then on delivery you get a bicycle because it's popular at the moment.
Should you not have the right to ask why you got something else than what you thought you ordered and paid for?
Or should you just use the bike and hope that they will turn it to the car you wished for in a couples of years?the comparison is a bit far away here and then compare an item that costs thousands of euros with a game worth around 100 euros
It is more like you buy a car of the same brand and you don't get a navigation, only an analogue radio instead of DAB, no automatic windows or an AC and because your old car had these feature you expecting that your new car has it also. But in the end, you still got a car.
Battlefield 2042 is still an Action Shooter with Tactical Elements like BF2, BF3, BF4, BF1 and BF V nothing more and nothing less. The different is the feature set each instalment has delivered.
And what are the trailer showing what you don’t get with BF2042? Have you played on Hourglass with the Sandstorm and Tornada at the same time? Then you have the visual and the action you see in the trailer. Same thing with the action on Manifest, I have many fights around these containers. But hey every player has a different perception.
And as I said before since the Beta a person who was interested in BF2042 should know in which direction the new game is going. Since than we all know that there where many changes to the franchise.
And if you then still buying the game and expecting more than advertised is more your problem.
- @CountSero @Stew360
Ok... I back off.
You are correct, there is nothing wrong with the game and I got what was shown in gametrailer.@CountSero and @Stew360 You two keep up the good work, you might even get employed by EA.
I asked before, but can I please get some of those happy clappy pills you two are using ? It must really make the world go technicolor since you praise 2042.
It is YOU who is a minority here when you read the posts thus reads stats collected about 2042 and how few players are playing the game.
There was nothing wrong with the old setups but hence DICE wanted to go monetizing the whole deal changing everything possible from previous games
they lost the franchise and the bottomline is, somone on top of the food-chain in EA knows it, that is why theres someone with their heinis in slap-level at the moment.
I would expect a few people getting sacked or at best moved to DICE's local office at Minegoa island with population of 3 penguins for making this fatality.
A DEV fresh from holidays/vacation .... In my line of work no one would have been celebrating xmas before the project was afloat and working as intended including myself !
@JOGAGATYA Nothing wrong with BFV just because a lot of people dont like the era (to me same deal as in BF1) and only play modern warfare.
the general dealbreaker to me in those cases were the introduction of daily quests, I mean, are we playing WOW ?!
Besides I havent got the time to play games every day so I would end up missing out on stuff.
Missions/quests should be made like in BF2,BF3 and BF4, all in good time and some of them you had to do a certain amount kills repairs in same round which is fine, but
you didnt have to look at the list every day to finish something.
- @MurkaZzz
The game trailer never lied about the " specialist " or the design of the game itself .. All it was was a bit more pretty and seams to perform better ..
So yeah thats . Specialist and all the design was heavily show off as it is and its a pretty good game in many ways ..
Also portal was meant for the purist who wanted the older style classes and a moddable experience . but once again Players have been ruining it themselves with " boosting servers " to abuse XP gains and so on . Its not on DICE shoulders there - @MurkaZzz Well really it's more like you've paid for a car yet again from a company that consistently rolls them out missing a steering wheel.
They also lets you try out the broken bike before you purchased in a beta and they'll even let you trial it on full release for a fraction of a price just so you can be 100% sure that your car is in fact a bicycle and it is indeed broken.
I don't like EA/Dice's practice of releasing games before they're ready any more than anyone else, but at at a certain point it's on us as a player base for rewarding it.
Stop buying bicycles.
The Dice guy is definitely trolling us though.
@MurkaZzz wrote:
@CountSeroLet me put it in another perspective.
You have bought and owned a car of a specific model for years and been more than happy about it.
Later on your car gets old and you want a new one.
Why not buy the new model from the same maker that has been advertised.
You go to the car dealer and see the new car. (game trailer)
It looks nice and reminds a lot about the old cars but with updated features.
You decide to buy it.
But then on delivery you get a bicycle because it's popular at the moment.
Should you not have the right to ask why you got something else than what you thought you ordered and paid for?
Or should you just use the bike and hope that they will turn it to the car you wished for in a couples of years?you didn't order a car and you didn't get a bike. You ordered the next BF game. Since you bought other BF games at launch you're quite aware that the launch isn't the end point and that every BF game is a bit different in theme, in features, in scope, in how rough it is, how buggy, etc. Also they let you try the game for free beforehand in the beta. And for $5 you could try it via EA Play. YOu also were not forced to buy it at launch. You could wait to see and hear about the game on Youtube. You could also buy it from EA and request a refund within ~48 hours if you didn't like it.
You can only blame yourself if you are unsatisfied. You got what you ordered. The next BF game.
Looking just at the logical numbers, removing the emotions of "good or bad game", one needs to have played 25 hours for the $100 game version, and 15 hours for the $60 game version, to have the same ROI (Return in Investment) as a $6 online rented movie that lasts 1.5 hours.
Thus if you only played 2 hours, ROI is extremely poor...yet if you played 100 hours or more, you ROI is extremely high.
So the more you play, the more it cost Dice on server side expenses, and the better your ROI...hmmmm
I find it shocking that Dice/EA has not released some purchase items yet to increase their ROI...
@DeepSixxxx wrote:Looking just at the logical numbers, removing the emotions of "good or bad game", one needs to have played 25 hours for the $100 game version, and 15 hours for the $60 game version, to have the same ROI (Return in Investment) as a $6 online rented movie that lasts 1.5 hours.
Thus if you only played 2 hours, ROI is extremely poor...yet if you played 100 hours or more, you ROI is extremely high.
So the more you play, the more it cost Dice on server side expenses, and the better your ROI...hmmmm
I find it shocking that Dice/EA has not released some purchase items yet to increase their ROI...
I am not sure why you would compare a movie with a video game. I would do something that would have equal representation, maybe like a Dave and Busters. So an average cost of one hour at dave and busters is about $18. So for a $60 game it would be about 3 hours.
@MurkaZzzand I think many people voicing defense here forget that we paid for a product that was advertised and expected to deliver a certain product, based on past performance, but failed to do so and instead released something that was certainly not ready for consumption. They are not doing any favors, they are correcting what was already paid for. Thats just business, or should be.
Now I will admit that I do like many aspects of the game and continue playing. I think it has a lot of potential and yes, I can be patient for the corrections and functionality to be coded in. But in my mind, the sense of urgency from EA should be communicated and some good faith made to keep the audience.- @Ahhnuld I don't think the issue is the fact that people complained about the product, more of the fact of HOW some in the community complained about it. I mean just look at some of the titles of the posts in the forums, they are not very constructive. Many make subjective remarks and trivialize the magnitude of work is needed to fix things.
There are different ways to address the issue, unfortunately the "loud minority" is overshadowing people who truly want the game to get better. I think EA's initial frustrated response was justified and if people are butthurt about it, they should first stop throwing stones themselves. Should never buy something based on past performance (especially after V). People also need to understand that most of the developers love the series and want to see it grow - features being outright removed and focus put on specific modes and agendas is an upper management type of deal
@TTZ_DipsyI do not agree. I have always and continue to buy products based on past performance. Its call brand loyalty and I do it with almost everything, including software and hardware. Now obviously as time goes on, companys lose the culture and direction often changes. But then so will the consumer choose to buy elsewhere.
Keep in mind that I am not whining about the developers or some of the tweaking that is being worked on, thats normal stuff. It was a bad decision at the management level to release the game prematurally and without basic coding , such as native joystick support, as they have had for every previous version.
@Ahhnuld wrote:@MurkaZzzand I think many people voicing defense here forget that we paid for a product that was advertised and expected to deliver a certain product, based on past performance, but failed to do so and instead released something that was certainly not ready for consumption. They are not doing any favors, they are correcting what was already paid for. Thats just business, or should be.
Now I will admit that I do like many aspects of the game and continue playing. I think it has a lot of potential and yes, I can be patient for the corrections and functionality to be coded in. But in my mind, the sense of urgency from EA should be communicated and some good faith made to keep the audience.You have amnesia. Almost every BF game is buggy at launch and in a rough state going back 20 years. And DICE has supported every BF game, going back 20 years, with ~18 months of bug fixes, improvements and content drops.
Your amnesia seems to happen within weeks becasue you also forget that EA provided a beta for everyone to play, they offered a 10 hr trial for $5 thru EA Play, they have a no questions asked ~48 hour refund policy, and they communicated what was going to be in the game beforehand. Also you forget you weren't forced to buy the game at launch. You forget that within days if not hours, Youtube and reddit are littered with footage and comments on the state of the game.
Must be tough having amnesia set on so quickly. 🙂
- @trip1ex You sure do assume a lot, rather than ask questions to understand.
My memory serves me just fine. I have been playing this franchise for the past 20 years, and I recall all the patches and updates to improve the game. What I do not recall is any of them missing major key components at launch, and after having paid full price for a release, not a beta. My opinions are based on my own observations and experiences, not whats on reddit, youtube, or any other medium.
It appears based on your snarky tone that you are just trolling and not adding any real value to the discussion. And if you expect that a company release a final version at full price, but fails to deliver the advertised expectation, the real problem is you. Let me sell you a flashy new year model car that I show you a picture of and when you get it, there are no wheels or seats. Just be patient and dont complain, you didnt HAVE to buy it, right?
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