Endless Matchmaking - Waiting For Players
Hi, It started approximately 2 weeks ago, I click play on Breakthrough (128 players) and I could not find a game at all, I do get a game or two in Conquest (128 players) after long hours of queue. I ...
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I have every sympathy with players being unable too find games through MM and of course, should be looked at as a priority but this seems to be region related.
Perhaps DICE has listened to one of the major complaints on here and included a region/ping lock in MM.
A return to a Server Browser would negate that and we would return to "why won't DICE put in a region/ping lock because the game is unplayable with out of region players cheating!".
Of course, I may be wrong but we don't know how MM works exactly.
All I'm saying is, be careful what we wish for.....
@Trokey66 wrote:I have every sympathy with players being unable too find games through MM and of course, should be looked at as a priority but this seems to be region related.
Perhaps DICE has listened to one of the major complaints on here and included a region/ping lock in MM.
A return to a Server Browser would negate that and we would return to "why won't DICE put in a region/ping lock because the game is unplayable with out of region players cheating!".
Of course, I may be wrong but we don't know how MM works exactly.
All I'm saying is, be careful what we wish for.....
I wish that was indeed the case @Trokey66 , but I have myself confirmed at multiple occasions now to be placed into games with players both from Japan and South America. And I am myself based in Europe. (when playing on PS5 and cross play disabled, AOW Breakthrough 128 players game mode). Confirmed by simply messaging some of the other players you see in the game via the Sony PS5 messenger service. But yes, I assume they were honest in their messaging on their locations. The lack of hit registration was the reason I tried to message some of them, and in most cases they were far out of region players... (this was back in mid January 2022)
The server browser and the scoreboard need both to display the latency rate. Both to the servers and also to the individual players in the game on the servers. Just as the PC players have had it for many years when renting BF servers.
@CyberDyme wrote:
@Trokey66 wrote:I have every sympathy with players being unable too find games through MM and of course, should be looked at as a priority but this seems to be region related.
Perhaps DICE has listened to one of the major complaints on here and included a region/ping lock in MM.
A return to a Server Browser would negate that and we would return to "why won't DICE put in a region/ping lock because the game is unplayable with out of region players cheating!".
Of course, I may be wrong but we don't know how MM works exactly.
All I'm saying is, be careful what we wish for.....
I wish that was indeed the case @Trokey66 , but I have myself confirmed at multiple occasions now to be placed into games with players both from Japan and South America. And I am myself based in Europe. (when playing on PS5 and cross play disabled, AOW Breakthrough 128 players game mode). Confirmed by simply messaging some of the other players you see in the game via the Sony PS5 messenger service. But yes, I assume they were honest in their messaging on their locations. The lack of hit registration was the reason I tried to message some of them, and in most cases they were far out of region players... (this was back in mid January 2022)
The server browser and the scoreboard need both to display the latency rate. Both to the servers and also to the individual players in the game on the servers. Just as the PC players have had it for many years when renting BF servers.
Based on your experiences MM would appear not to be applying a region / ping lock then.
As you say we need to revert back to the previous system.
@RayD_O1 wrote:Based on your experiences MM would appear not to be applying a region / ping lock then.
As you say we need to revert back to the previous system.
Correct @RayD_O1 ,
Now we don't know the exact Match Making Rules that may have been coded into the system, but it is definitely not a hard lock, that blocks different regions from being merged in with each other. Because that has been confirmed already not to be the case. But maybe there are some business logic that first try as priority to put players together within the same region. And then if not available to start a server with aka 50% of all players ready, then it maybe opens up for also pulling in out of region players that are in same situation in their own region?
Again, simple things that EA ought to have shared the description of with us. But instead they have stayed totally silent on this, despite that this was indeed as highlighted by @Trokey66 at the very top of the wish list from BF veterans. And similarly brought up as a concern when we went through the technical playtesting and the beta periods...
Probably jumping to conclusions, but the very fact that the server session and the associated players are only kept alive for one single game round, and then kicking all players back out in the lobby after each round, for then again to repeat the whole match making process is not a good sign. And moreover, the fact the player is not even put into a sequence of rotation between the different maps, is a further bad sign. Namely bad signs on that not much deeper thought, rationale or logic has been put into this function at all. So expect no business rules have been applied either in the matchmaking routine in the code. Not at present time for sure...
Again, none of this would be needed anyway, if we all just played the Battle Royal game that BF2042 was intended to be from the get go.
@CyberDyme wrote:
@RayD_O1 wrote:Based on your experiences MM would appear not to be applying a region / ping lock then.
As you say we need to revert back to the previous system.
Correct @RayD_O1 ,
Now we don't know the exact Match Making Rules that may have been coded into the system, but it is definitely not a hard lock, that blocks different regions from being merged in with each other. Because that has been confirmed already not to be the case. But maybe there are some business logic that first try as priority to put players together within the same region. And then if not available to start a server with aka 50% of all players ready, then it maybe opens up for also pulling in out of region players that are in same situation in their own region?
Again, simple things that EA ought to have shared the description of with us. But instead they have stayed totally silent on this, despite that this was indeed as highlighted by @Trokey66 at the very top of the wish list from BF veterans. And similarly brought up as a concern when we went through the technical playtesting and the beta periods...
Probably jumping to conclusions, but the very fact that the server session and the associated players are only kept alive for one single game round, and then kicking all players back out in the lobby after each round, for then again to repeat the whole match making process is not a good sign. And moreover, the fact the player is not even put into a sequence of rotation between the different maps, is a further bad sign. Namely bad signs on that not much deeper thought, rationale or logic has been put into this function at all. So expect no business rules have been applied either in the matchmaking routine in the code. Not at present time for sure...
Again, none of this would be needed anyway, if we all just played the Battle Royal game that BF2042 was intended to be from the get go.
You have covered a lot of very valid points there.
As you say DICE have never spelt out the workings of MM but it's clearly not performing satisfactorily judging by the number of players demanding that they should bring back the Server Browser / Server System used previously.
I agree there appears to have been little or no logic applied, and the overall result is just a bit of a mess that leaves players either unable to play at all, or only able to play the way MM forces them to.
MM may work in a BR environment but it certainly isn't working in a BF one, and it's a retrograde step for the BF series to have gone this route.
The feedback on these forums and the dwindling player base says it all, MM needs replacing asap.
I agree, I don't believe there is a region/ping lock.
Once in a while there are matches that just 'feel weird'.
Sometime hit registration is off, and I wonder if I am too close to an object, that I hit an invisible wall, or if my bullets only hit air.
Then you have the friends or enemies that leave a frozen image of their likely hood, while they are still moving around somewhere else.
@kregora wrote:I agree, I don't believe there is a region/ping lock.
Once in a while there are matches that just 'feel weird'.
Sometime hit registration is off, and I wonder if I am too close to an object, that I hit an invisible wall, or if my bullets only hit air.
Then you have the friends or enemies that leave a frozen image of their likely hood, while they are still moving around somewhere else.
Yeah I have been experiencing more of these type of incidents in recent days too.
I came up behind a guy and emptied a whole clip into him and he continued to run on around the corner, even I am not that bad a shot. 😃
Also have noticed some occasions of the frozen images you refer to, not good.!!
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