Go back to how it was.

Seasoned Ace

3 years ago

@DPsx7ive been playing BF since day 1 of BF1942 back in 2002.

EA And DICE have just been trending downwards - though i held my loyalty to the BF Franchise for a reason.

but for you to call the ENTIRE PLAYERBASE "bad players" is simply asinine. maybe put the blame back where it belongs - holding DICE and EA Accountable for the continued trending downwards of a quality game.

No one asked for the specialists to begin with - it simply got thrown in our faces without any ability to vote or even discuss it. we as the player base finally stood up and hurt EA where it counts, the Wallet. 2042 had over 100,000 Simultaneous players - then POOOF down to 30-40K within a WEEK. with god knows how much revenue in refunds. We started the fight to tell EA - "Listen Up, we are done with the BS"

So lets review the BF History.

BFV - we didnt ask for the Battle Royale mode - it got shoved in our faces and it flopped massively. censorship in chat rose to a level you could not even joke with someone and call them a "noob" without it getting censored into *'s. We didnt ask for the ridiculously small map sizes - it got shoved in our faces.

BF1 - we didnt ask for smaller maps or the start of the censorship era - it got shoved in our faces.

BF4 - the last of the good titles - despite the launch failure.

BF3 - the best title available.

BFBC2 - this was a pivotal point, because with BC2 we had the smaller maps but the maps where excellent in quality.

BF2142 - not much to say here, a futuristic clash of Super Carriers floating in the skies, Titan Suits, Hovertanks and pulse laser based weapons.

BF2 - some of the largest maps ever made in the BF Franchise. for a few of them took you almost a full minute to fly across one in a fighter jet!

BF1942 - the OG, and the start of DICE when 1942's Mod - Desert Combat got released.

If you want the NEW game, maybe go play a NEW GAME, a good number of us have been around the block, and we prefer the way BF Has been for 20 years now.

DPsx7
3 years ago
@AOD_CapStar362 I've said that players have a beef with EA not BF itself. The class clowns are misreading that. EA isn't the only company getting tossed under the bus because of NFT's, microtransactions, business policies, etc.

Nah, just the ones who voted to break the game. Let them stay with BF3/4.

Games need to change it up to evolve. Mario and Zelda left a lot behind in their move to 3D but did so successfully. Specialists were something new and they worked fine. Nah I agree, royale isn't for BF. I wasn't a fan of BF1/5 either. Hardline was iffy.

Without taking steps forward this game is gonna grow stale like CoD and it'll crash at the bottom. Apparently that's what the whiners want, maybe as some deranged 'revenge' on EA. I dunno.
- AOD_CapStar362
  Seasoned Ace
  3 years ago
  @DPsx7 i beg to differ, based on your replies - which are seemingly more and more defensive and backtracking. your first reply back on page one.
  
  You literally called the ENTIRE playerbase as bad players because a majority of the community who played titles as far back as BF4 or earlier are wanting the class system back.
  
  you have already revealed your truths - you simply cannot hold a conversation without delving into insults because you cant accept an answer other than yours. i literally read all 6 pages before i even made my first reply.
  
  Ive been watching your responses including now to me, progressively dialing back defensively to your original responses on page 1.
  
  Simply put - you got called out, now you are trying to reel back the damage.
  
  Have a good one bud. I want the classes myself. 20 years of them and the game stayed strong.
  
  Change can be a bad thing also - and for this, changing to the universal specialists was a bad thing. it literally ruined the game and took the community to backlash hundreds of thousands of dollars in refunds to get EA to wake up. Sad though you cant understand that.
  - DPsx7
    3 years ago
    @AOD_CapStar362 Who's defensive? I'm not wrong. I haven't seen a compelling excuse to classes other than 'herp derp we've always had them'. And logically yes, if your need for classes is based around vehicle life or wanting the game to flag the players who are a threat, then that is totally a skill issue. Don't blame me.
    
    So bring actual reasons or get out of the game and stop poisoning it with this restrictive class nonsense. Go play Fortnite or something if you want easy mode. BF is not for your type.
- AOD_CapStar362
  Seasoned Ace
  3 years ago
  @DPsx7 oh now you want to drag in secondary reasons - nope, DENIED. you focused on the Classes, now its also about NFT, micros and other reasons. so see, point proven, now you are trying to narrate the subject by including other reasons, when your first and only reason was - you want specialists.
  - DPsx7
    3 years ago
    @AOD_CapStar362 No I said that before. People trashed the game at launch without ever playing it. Called review bombing, happens often. EA isn't a popular company so the non-players attack their franchises. Had nothing to do with specialists.
    
    I just want the game as I bought it. A good BF with some fresh ideas. I have a reason to be mildly angry if a bunch of bad players are going to ruin it for the rest of us.
VME23
New Hotshot
3 years ago
@AOD_CapStar362 wrote:

No one asked for the specialists to begin with - it simply got thrown in our faces without any ability to vote or even discuss it. we as the player base finally stood up and hurt EA where it counts, the Wallet. 2042 had over 100,000 Simultaneous players - then POOOF down to 30-40K within a WEEK. with god knows how much revenue in refunds. We started the fight to tell EA - "Listen Up, we are done with the BS"

If you want the NEW game, maybe go play a NEW GAME, a good number of us have been around the block, and we prefer the way BF Has been for 20 years now.
You sound like we've put all of our lifetime savings into this game, as investors, and contracted EA/DICE to create a game only for us - a minority of BF die-hard fans who now have a family to feed, bills & mortgage to pay, kids to care of etc. - boomers in one word (mytself included).
Well, now there is a new playerbase who needs to be appealed. This new & fresh playerbase wants innovation, evolution, something new from this franchise - not the old & rusty features which worked, not gonna lie, for 20 years or so.
But saying that the new playerbase needs to go and play a 'new game' is totally wrong because we, so called BF vets (I hate this term) are a minority right now - 5-10% of the total playerbase. In order to remain relevant we need to adapt and evolve not them.
Your example with the release Steam no. is irrelevant here, same I could say about Halo Infinite which is a F2P, in the first week of release had 250k concurent players and now barely survives with 3-4k. Another example is Cyberpunk 2077 which had 850k at release and now when the game is worth playing it barely has 13k concurent players.
In conclusion, thanks for the history lesson, but I don't agree with your views and I prefer not be be on 'the right side of history'.
- DPsx7
  3 years ago
  I was gonna write this earlier but my cat came up and she doesn't like to compete with a KB in my lap.
  Anyways to answer multiple people at once, what is it about classes that you couldn't do before? Without proving me right by using 'vehicles' as a reason. I say it didn't add but take away from the game. Restrictions don't attract players. If your sole reason is 'because that's how it was' then return the LMG and C5 to support. That's how it was in BF4 when I chose a playstyle. You'd know if you played it. If the idea is to limit how many ways players can fight back then yeah, the skill thing. I don't recall what I ran back in BF3.
  As gaming hardware moves forward I think the games should advance with it. Classes were ok at the time but they aren't a critical part of the formula.
- Tank2042Man
  3 years ago
  @VME23 Nope.
  
  They need to go play another game, whatever is trending at the moment, and leave battlefield to battlefield fans.
  
  You make a huge assumption that the new young players don't want classes without a shred of evidence to back that up.
  
  The class formula works, and has worked for 20 years, and will work for another 20 years.
  
  It's like saying we should change the rules of football or tennis otherwise the sport will get stale and no one will watch anymore.
  
  If Dice want to innovate then they are free to innovate on other games and if you find the battlefield formula stale you know what you can do, stop playing.
  - RaginSam
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Tank2042Man wrote:
    @VME23Nope.
    
    They need to go play another game, whatever is trending at the moment, and leave battlefield to battlefield fans.
    
    You make a huge assumption that the new young players don't want classes without a shred of evidence to back that up.
    
    The class formula works, and has worked for 20 years, and will work for another 20 years.
    
    It's like saying we should change the rules of football or tennis otherwise the sport will get stale and no one will watch anymore.
    
    If Dice want to innovate then they are free to innovate on other games and if you find the battlefield formula stale you know what you can do, stop playing.
    Classes work in all sorts of games. Many that I enjoy, like Apex, Overwatch, Destiny, etc. The difference between those game and Battlefield is those are typically faster paced games and the abilities are far more potent. Those games have Classes and limited load-outs to give the Devs a chance at balancing the game. Battlefield is more of a boots on the ground military themed shooter. It's a lot closer to reality then any of those other games I mentioned.
    I'm not sure how we can dance around this point, teamwork comes from communicating an objective. That's it, no way around that. It even applies to Destiny, OW, or Apex. The objective is clear in those games. The overall strategy is clear in Battlefield, but the tactics to get there isn't.
    I want to see the game progress towards something new. I've done the Class thing so many times at this point. It's boring as hell. Plus, Specialist were essentially Classes. They had limited load-outs, with a unique passive, and an active ability. What more did people want? A BFV Class system again? No thanks.
    I want Squad Leaders to have a bigger and more clear role. A benefit to following their orders. A Commander giving overall orders to the Squads. For each round to mean something and contribute to winning a war or something. An extraction type experience, RIP Hazard Zone. I can go back and play the other Battlefield games. That's one of the great things about PC gaming. Games don't need to be cycled through every 2-3 years. Titles should, and can be, valid for a decade.

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