Well so far i have had 1 game of the new Kaleidoscope as attacker in Breakthrough, i haven't played a lot of it jet, but so far it feels really good, vehicle players might get upset since helis and jets are not present until last sector (Which of my understanding is only transport heli's), but for the first time i actually had fun on kaleidoscope, so good job dice! 👌But, there has to be a but.Even with the new layout and great new cover, the map(Well alll maps), still need the battlefield atmosphere, which is a shame.But i have to say, it feels really good to play this map now(So far) 😉First game, and my team had only positive things to say 😉Please share your thoughts and first impressions about the new Kaleidoscope.

@Kaptyn027 Impressive work. I have queued up 10 times today. ZERO Kaleidoscopes! Gotta love MM. DICE really showcasing their great work.I know we are going to an Exposure/Kaleidoscope 24/7 soon, but they really miss out on these initial days of new interest by killing the hype. Why wait? Make it a game mode on update day.

@WedgeTornado wrote: @Straatford87 @PartWeIsh Can we get War torn buildings with Craters in the ground? Buildings on fire, partially destroyed? How about battles ongoing in the background like BF4 had in Firestorm, ect. What you've seen today in the Kaleidoscope rework is our intended design for how we want to update our maps to make you feel the war has progressed. We've already shown some examples on what we're doing for Renewal as well, and Orbital and Manifest are the two maps to follow after that. Thanks in the meantime for your feedback!

There are quite a few very significant changes to the NEW Kaleidoscope map than some people seem not to have noticed.I set up a dedicated Portal server to have a bit of a run around and there are quite a few things that haven't been detailed that make a significant change to the gameplay on this map.Firstly there are the things we have been told about.- Changes to the location of the "B" flag.- New F.O.B. at the "B" flag point.- Changes to the location of the "D" flag.- Changes to the location of the "F" flag. - Changes to the location of the "G" flag.- Lots of new cover around the map.There are heaps of other changes that are very positive and I can't for the life of me figure out why they haven't been included in the changelog for this map so that the dev's who worked on it can get some credit for what is truly a very good upgrade to this map.These are taken from the Conquest Large 128 player map version on PS5.(waiting for Youtube to process some of the videos. Will insert them as they are available).edit : whoops, just noticed I uploaded the large files first, should have done the little ones first, might take a while.I've included a few videos of each area so you can take a look at each individual zone.There's also a couple of longer vids that I used to edit the smaller ones out of that I've slotted in towards the end.1) many of the flag capture zones (the radius) have been increased to include a sizeable area outside the original capture zones.This makes almost almost all of the flag areas far better to fight over as you have more cover, more area and more options.2) The "A1" flag radius has been greatly enlarged. It now includes a large area around the outside of the ground floor with far more cover and more options for gameplay.Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - "A" flag - YouTube3) The "B" flags have been completely redone. The capture zones are larger. There's the new FOB (B1). The circular walls around the gazebo on B2 have been lowered to become cover rather than an obstruction. The terrain has far more elevation changes thus providing more cover.Pity it's a "gimme" flag point as something like this in the centre of the map would have been ideal.Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "B" flags - YouTube4) The "C" flag radius has also been enlarged slightly to now allow you to take cover outside the surrounding walls whilst still inside the capture radius. You now no longer have to completely expose yourself to capture this flag.Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - "C" flag - YouTube5) The "D" flag has been moved from the lower floor to the middle floor of the central building and has a much larger radius.Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "D" flag - YouTubeBattlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - "D" flag and traversal to "B" - YouTube6) The "E" flags got a MAJOR overhaul. The flags capture zones are FAR larger than before and provide way more cover opportunities.The transit area from E1 to E2 has had cover provided also. This is a huge improvement to this area.Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "E" flags - YouTube7) The "F1" flag has been moved from the rooftop to the ground. It covers both the ground floor and the second floor balcony at the base of the "F" tower.The upper flag (F2) has had some minor cover installed.Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "F" flags - YouTube8) The "G" flag has been moved from the area between the towers to the ground floor of the old "F1" tower. It is now very close to the new F1 ground floor flag and this area is going to become a major conflict area. Three flags close together with heaps of cover from aircraft.Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "G" flag - YouTubeWill insert the vids as they become available.Long videos below.....Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope changes are more significant than most have noticed. - YouTubeBattlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map changes are far more significant - YouTubeBattlefield 2042 - New Kaleidoscope map (long detailed look at changes) - YouTubeThe anti-aircraft vehicle actually has missiles that are useful now too.With the improved 30mm cannon and the longer range on the SAM's you should be able to have a far better chance of dealing with the stealth helicopters.The transports are going to need to be very good with the cannons if they want to have a go at you too.Jets will be toast if they don't run far away.Battlefield 2042 - Anti Aircraft vehicle actually has missiles that are useful now - YouTubeKap.

@Flommingsen I heard it looks great. Awesome work by the team that did that.I know they are planning to add a Kaleidoscope 24/7 option in the next few days, but this is putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.We want known map rotations and customized servers with their own unique rotations. Hell, make an option for 24/7 Each Map, in each mode. So if we wanted to play 24/7 Manifest BT we could do that. Then the next day if we want Discarded Conquest, we could play that continuously. A Server Browser would resolve a ton of these issues.It just sucks because the new map looks awesome and I have queued up multiple times and have not gotten it once. So I quit for the day.

Adding some burnt out cars with smoke coming out would be a simple add that would add some cover and break LOS.

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Chief2GFD
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@dirtytamato "The rework didn't change anything. All they did is add some boxes."? Seriously?!
Flommingsen
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
@dirtytamato I can't speak for conquest, but the map rework has made wonders for breakthrough, since there is hills and much more cover around previous open areas. Which makes a huge difference in game.
Try it, and you'll see.
Straatford87
DICE Team
4 years ago
@WedgeTornado wrote:

@Straatford87

@PartWeIsh

Can we get War torn buildings with Craters in the ground? Buildings on fire, partially destroyed?

How about battles ongoing in the background like BF4 had in Firestorm, ect.

What you've seen today in the Kaleidoscope rework is our intended design for how we want to update our maps to make you feel the war has progressed.

We've already shown some examples on what we're doing for Renewal as well, and Orbital and Manifest are the two maps to follow after that. Thanks in the meantime for your feedback!
edgecrusherO0
4 years ago
@Straatford87 Any chance of delaying Orbital and/or Manifest - both of which are at least pretty good - and prioritizing Hourglass instead? Hourglass is an absolute nightmare of a mess of a map, especially on breakthrough.
CountSero
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@dirtytamato There are many RL Cities which have kind of big parks with one or two buildings like a Museum, Gallery or open-Air Theatre in it. So such an place can exist.

The changes they made are a good step and I like these new additions to this map.

Also, a rework for more cover don’t mean that this out of the sudden gets a city map like Karkand, Donya, 925, Scrapmetal or Ziba….

This is not a CQC game it is Still Battlefield.
Kaptyn027
4 years ago
There are quite a few very significant changes to the NEW Kaleidoscope map than some people seem not to have noticed.
I set up a dedicated Portal server to have a bit of a run around and there are quite a few things that haven't been detailed that make a significant change to the gameplay on this map.
Firstly there are the things we have been told about.
- Changes to the location of the "B" flag.
- New F.O.B. at the "B" flag point.
- Changes to the location of the "D" flag.
- Changes to the location of the "F" flag.
- Changes to the location of the "G" flag.
- Lots of new cover around the map.
There are heaps of other changes that are very positive and I can't for the life of me figure out why they haven't been included in the changelog for this map so that the dev's who worked on it can get some credit for what is truly a very good upgrade to this map.
These are taken from the Conquest Large 128 player map version on PS5.
(waiting for Youtube to process some of the videos. Will insert them as they are available).
edit : whoops, just noticed I uploaded the large files first, should have done the little ones first, might take a while.
I've included a few videos of each area so you can take a look at each individual zone.
There's also a couple of longer vids that I used to edit the smaller ones out of that I've slotted in towards the end.
1) many of the flag capture zones (the radius) have been increased to include a sizeable area outside the original capture zones.
This makes almost almost all of the flag areas far better to fight over as you have more cover, more area and more options.
2) The "A1" flag radius has been greatly enlarged. It now includes a large area around the outside of the ground floor with far more cover and more options for gameplay.
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - "A" flag - YouTube
3) The "B" flags have been completely redone. The capture zones are larger. There's the new FOB (B1). The circular walls around the gazebo on B2 have been lowered to become cover rather than an obstruction. The terrain has far more elevation changes thus providing more cover.
Pity it's a "gimme" flag point as something like this in the centre of the map would have been ideal.
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "B" flags - YouTube
4) The "C" flag radius has also been enlarged slightly to now allow you to take cover outside the surrounding walls whilst still inside the capture radius. You now no longer have to completely expose yourself to capture this flag.
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - "C" flag - YouTube
5) The "D" flag has been moved from the lower floor to the middle floor of the central building and has a much larger radius.
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "D" flag - YouTube
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - "D" flag and traversal to "B" - YouTube
6) The "E" flags got a MAJOR overhaul. The flags capture zones are FAR larger than before and provide way more cover opportunities.
The transit area from E1 to E2 has had cover provided also. This is a huge improvement to this area.
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "E" flags - YouTube
7) The "F1" flag has been moved from the rooftop to the ground. It covers both the ground floor and the second floor balcony at the base of the "F" tower.
The upper flag (F2) has had some minor cover installed.
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "F" flags - YouTube
8) The "G" flag has been moved from the area between the towers to the ground floor of the old "F1" tower. It is now very close to the new F1 ground floor flag and this area is going to become a major conflict area. Three flags close together with heaps of cover from aircraft.
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map - traversal and "G" flag - YouTube
Will insert the vids as they become available.
Long videos below.....
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope changes are more significant than most have noticed. - YouTube
Battlefield 2042 - NEW Kaleidoscope map changes are far more significant - YouTube
Battlefield 2042 - New Kaleidoscope map (long detailed look at changes) - YouTube
The anti-aircraft vehicle actually has missiles that are useful now too.
With the improved 30mm cannon and the longer range on the SAM's you should be able to have a far better chance of dealing with the stealth helicopters.
The transports are going to need to be very good with the cannons if they want to have a go at you too.
Jets will be toast if they don't run far away.
Battlefield 2042 - Anti Aircraft vehicle actually has missiles that are useful now - YouTube
Kap.
SCUBASTEVE120
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Chief2GFD Yes thank you 😢 I think the rework is great. Kaleidoscope has become my new favorite map on 2042. Played breakthrough as attacker on it last night. The elevation changes in the grassy areas made it fun and tactical to move up and I love that little Outpost in front of the skyscraper front doors. I had no problem moving from cover to cover now. No more relying on Irish and beacons to get where im going.
SCUBASTEVE120
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Straatford87 Confirmed info right here thank you I was wondering what was after renewal. But I think you guys may want to prioritize hourglass. That map has potential. Plus manifest is pretty good already
Kaptyn027
4 years ago
Have inserted most of the videos now.
Just waiting on the G flag clip.
Kap.
SCUBASTEVE120
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@CountSero I really miss those bf3 cqc maps. That was such an amazing dlc. But then again every dlc for Bf3 was great, I mean every dlc had a theme. Where did that creativity go to.

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