So first of all I hope that they remove random bullet deviation and static middlescreen crosshairs. I mean this balancing concept is so ancient and 'gamey', it's time for innovation!In the trailer we've seen very little gunplay, but I have noticed reticles move more freely and realistically, which is very nice!I hope these reticle recoil patterns dictate and visualize the actual accuracy of guns. So for balancing reasons, if for instance we have a larger caliber/more lethal gun, it will have more violent reticle bounce. This sort of system would also make the guns feel alot more punchy and snappy!Greets,A very old BF fan who's interested coming back to the franchise.

We had wobbling crosshairs in BF4 at launch and it was one of the most complained about mechanics, so much so that they removed it.What I would like to see is guns with a set recoil pattern that can be learned a la Counterstrike. It would increase the skill ceiling considerably but to the average casual who doesn't dig into such details anyway would not feel any different.

Other than the guns that require a deployed bipod to fire accurately, Battlefield 5's guns genuinely feel the best to use in the series and I hope they stick with it. For all the things BF5 got wrong, most agree that the way the guns handle was not one of them. I really do hope they don't go back to the cone of chance gunplay of older titles.

Yer we need LASERs, ohh wait let's use hitscan too. It is a game? Yes, but having every bullet go exactly where aimed is over the top. Actual real life doesn't even have that.What is being asked for is a very fast TTK, you may as well make every bullet 1 hit killGun mechanic may have been good to some in BFV but the TTK sucked. Which was a big complaint in BFV. Many ask for the ability to counter when in a vehicle yet for infantry we have the ability to counter snipers but someone with AR at 100m still needs to be able to kill all fast because it is not fun for the shooter, great logic applied selectively.Again youse are playing a game. If real life stats like RPM are used with low BTK the TTK becomes too fast with the massive full damage hit boxes players have, so other stats need to be adjusted. Having accuracy as the only factor in a game when weapons failure, temperature, wind or muscle fatigue are not factors, makes it to low skill and easy to kill. This is why precision(spread), velocity, gravity and drag are need to make killing harder and requiring skill. People need to think of all players not just the how the AR shooters feels.

@DingoKillrand @OskooI_007 are pretty much on it for me.And one thing to bare in mind about sights jumping around is the potential issue of motion sickness.For me, somewhere between BF4 and BF1 would be bout right.

@-ExiLe_ZH Welcome back!I can say that random bullet variance found in BF4 has been heavily changed in more "current" Battlefields. "Bullet spread" is still in-game, but first shot accuracy is not random. Finally, recoil patterns are similar across multiple bursts, but not identical.^ That is from BFV gunplay mechanics.Middle screen crosshair has been, is, and always will be as I can tell, part of the game. You can of course change whether or not you see it and what it looks like, but those features have been in the series for a bit now.I will agree with you in hoping that there have been improvements to gunplay overall as well as the "feel" and look of those systems as well... we will all be able to test it soon enough!

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-ExiLe_ZH
Rising Traveler
4 years ago
@BaronVonGoon It’s quite funny how opinions differ so much.

That’s ok, I hope Dice can invent a good feeling and well balanced mechanic with some sense of realism.

I’m personally very much against the idea of going back to bf4 mechanics. Random spread just feels so annoying and it looks so outdated how the crosshairs are completely static and part of the hud.
LuzuVlogsGamer
4 years ago
I really jope its not like COD it looks and feels like it tho the Health bars and the Kill markers.
BaronVonGoon
4 years ago
@-ExiLe_ZH Look you and I and the 1% of the community on forums and reddit who are experts on symthic and the gun mechanics know that the spread mechanics in BFV directly affect the gun sights and cause the sight to move more unpredictably than any Battlefield game ever.

But what about the 99% of the community? I played with over a hundred people since this game released and I've heard from MANY of them complaints than can be summed up with this general statement: "My gun sight keeps moving weirdly all the time and it doesn't feel like normal recoil, it feels unpredictable and throws my target entirely even in close range, it sucks when I die because of it".

There is nothing fun about a gun sight that 1) Randomly moves in different directions and 2) Cannot be controlled. You cant control horizontal recoil. The spread in BFV isnt even the normal horizontal recoil that is present in all Battlefield games, no, its ON TOP OF IT. Yes, hrec on top of hrec.

I'm all in favour of any new gunplay system as long as it has zoom behaviour that does not move in an unpredictable and uncontrollable manner because this is unfun gameplay. Players want their deaths to be their fault and want their kills to be because of their skill. Leave the random stuff for the occasionally fun gimmicky stuff, mortars, EOD bots, robodog, etc...
-ExiLe_ZH
Rising Traveler
4 years ago
@BaronVonGoon So I have no opinion on BFV, I've never played it. I'm an old player who quit after BF3, which is a long ago. But I indeed was quite a meta guy and used symthic to know my stuff etc.

So for BFV I've read many mixed reactions in this very topic already. It slightly seems to lean towards the positive side of things, but I do understand your point. If that's indeed a popular complaint, then that needs improvement.

Anyways, the whole trick is to create patterns that don't feel too random, but still random enough where guns don't turn into 100% controllable laser beams.
-ExiLe_ZH
Rising Traveler
4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uCIieB2KDg
Ok guys, this looks pretty good.
1. There is some visual recoil, nice! but should be slightly stronger imo.
2. Still can't tell where the bullets land, but if they land where that reticle aims (like it should be!), then the visual recoil definitely needs to be a bit stronger (to naturally create a slightly bigger area of spread).
3. Viewkick or rather the lack of it kinda concerns me though. Could be that the guy is countering it very well, not sure.
INVALID_USER14
4 years ago
Imagine playing it in VR?
Its an suggestion/suggest it
These forums sure are on fire
DICE are pros they knowe what there doing
Keep doing that &/and definitely they'd
Nail'd it not to worry about

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