Is there no HARDCORE official servers? That's what most of us grown men play. Here's why we like HARDCORE. I know you can play modified HARDCORE on Portal, but you get limited and cant progress your weapons or abilities.
NO Kill Cam - What's the point of being a Sniper or strategically stealth?
Stronger hit damage - NO one wants to use a whole mag on 1 person. It will make people stop running and gunning and actually use strategic.
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@Kean_1111 wrote:
Would be nice to remove the kill cam, force 1st person in vehicles, have in-game comms if we want to open the game to randoms, increase fall damage beyond just a setting of 2, etc., etc.
I know Portal will be expanded upon which will likely include more options. ....so I'm hopefully we may see additions like this to allow further customization of player creations.
You also brought up a good point about uniforms as it's difficult to tell friend from foe. I think Karma even waffled on the FF option too as there were too many accidentally TK'ing on his server(s). I find it works fine in games like Sandstorm and Hell Let Loose because it's easier to differentiate. Maybe Portal's 1942 assets would be better for FF.
Yes it was Karmakut's servers I was playing on. They were the more populated ones when I've jumped on.
I second your suggestions at the top of the quote.
I played on another server where they had 1942 uniforms for RU and modern day uniforms for the US forces, made it much easier indeed. From what I've seen in Karmakut's servers is that most of the TKs are by accident. You can tell because they'll look at you on the kill cam standing still, knowing what they just did lol. Every once and a while you'll have the player come in to ruin a good time. I hope there is an option where you are automatically kicked after X amount of TKs in a round or specific allotment of time so the system could take care of itself without admins. You would need a nice filter for TK kicks though because if you accidentally blow up a vehicle with 4 teammates in them it would be unfortunate to be kicked. You might need a filter where X amount of multi-kills results in a kick under X amount of time too. Add an option for kick, 24 hour suspension, 72 hour, full ban, etc.
Hope to see more options added in the future too. Thanks for your input, @Kean_1111.
Glad to hear other people enjoying this kind of content.
Good point about the limits on TK'ing resulting in a kick although I think what may work just as well (while not banishing what otherwise may be sincere players making mistakes) is mirroring damage for anyone who has TK'ed a certain amount of times. ....so if Johnny Newguy kills two of his teammates, the next shot will reflect that damage back on him without injuring the one he shot, blew up, etc.
I'd hate to see good folks getting kicked for making mistakes but I think reflecting damage back on themselves is good in a sense that they can still remain in the game but will also learn their lesson by having to respawn. .....maybe even force the respawn back at the base. .....or maybe add a respawn penalty timer as well. Even if someone is a troll this would put a damper on any fun they can have so they are more likely to just move on.
Thanks for engaging on this. I also hope the future stays bright for new options like these. I think folks like Karma will really help legitimize the case for including more HC elements, options, etc.
@-NME-M0710NM4N wrote:
@Kean_1111Care to share your various settings for "hardcore-like"?
Sorry, I didn't notice your post until now.
I can't recall all my settings off the top of my head but again, HC will mean different things to different people so my settings may seem docile compared to others. I also recall a thread you created that I tried to get back to and couldn't find. I think your damage was set to something like 4 which you thought was too much. ....I agree.
Personally, I've been sticking with headshot @ 2 and torso @ 1.8 - 1.9. With that it seems headshots are mostly a 1 shot affair while body shots can be ~1-3. It seems to feel like a good balance that still keeps the different weapons relevant and the gameplay fun. If it's too high then every weapon is essentially a 1-shot kill so we would likely stick with one instead of using a variety of them.
Player damage I currently have set on 1.5 since my friends are old (like me) and just getting started in the game. Once they get they footing I could see decreasing closer to 1. AI is set to 1, regen is on but set to .5, global is set to 1.5, etc.
On another note, movement speed is also set to .8, the lowest setting and the traversal(?) sprint is turned off. I feel this is much more realistic and it also exposes players to more fire when out in the open, moving between cover, etc. ....so you need to take that into account when looking at the 1.5 player damage. You can still get "one-shotted" btw if you take one to the head.
It's a tough balancing act and I'm always tweaking / testing things between the sessions when my friends and I will meet to play. Sometimes these settings don't work so well with one set of assets vs. others. I'm still getting used to it.
Community Manager@Kean_1111
I like the idea of mirroring. Personally thought I'd rather have the bullet damage instantly get inflicted on yourself. I wouldn't mind seeing people team killing instantly die.
For example:
Of course it will have to break down per rifle because sniper rounds will only take 1, but I think you know where I'm going with that.
This way you still get the realism factor of your squad suffering losses from team kills but only those inflicting it are punished. If I killed my own teammate by accident.
Yeah, I can see where it might take some balance to satisfy the actual reason for having FF on (to help with immersion in a hardcore setting) and mitigating trolling or the result of bad players so it doesn't ruin the experience for others.
In Insurgency Sandstorm it normally takes several hits against a teammate to kill them but once you do, damage will reflect back on you after that first kill going forward. Seems to work well in that setting IMO / IME. Certainly something that would need to be tested and tweaked. Perhaps adjustable parameters that players can tweak themselves? .....damage reflection, auto-kick, # of TKs allowed, damage thresholds, etc.
Community Manager@Kean_1111
The more you talk about how it's done in that game the more I'm agreeing with you. Damage threshold might be the way to go. If you do X amount of team damage at some point it makes sense to give someone a boot. Otherwise someone could continually injure teammates and wait until the health replenishes, unless it's designed where team damage doesn't replenish your health for a long time. I've been in servers for games in the past where you got immediately kicked for accidentally blowing up teammates with a misfired rocket or grenade so those are always tougher to manage. It's not intentional but a big let down when you get removed from the server and can't get back in with friends because it's full. Maybe if you blow up teammates with explosives a commander's voice let's you know ordinances have been revoked from you for this round. Next time it happens you will be removed from the battlefield, along with the explosives items locked from use.
Community Manager@ragnarok013
I search "Mil" in the filter and there were a couple with pings under 100 ATM for me in NA.
The TTK in Sandstorm is extremely low so it doesn't take many shots at all to kill others or to be killed. Typically it's 1-3 shots depending on the weapon, distance, material you shoot through if applicable, if you have body armor on, location you're hit, etc. ....so being shot again after being injured (by a teammate or otherwise) will likely result in death but in that game, you're lucky to survive the first hit(s) anyhow. There is no healing mechanic or regeneration, health bar, etc.
FF takes more shots to kill someone on your own team so it doesn't result in death as easily as it will against enemies. ....not so much with explosives or secondary explosions however. Those count too though and damage will be mirrored back on you next time.
I find that killing someone on your team once is enough of a lesson in that game to get your head right. Anymore and it would begin to get annoying IMO.
One of the issues however is that if someone feels wronged, they may take the one freebie TK (so to speak) and kill the offender. If that person is in a group, their friends will sometimes take turns TK'ing who they believe is the aggressor. ....the player will either end up leaving or sometimes get vote-kicked at that point by the group.
No system is perfect but a similar mechanic might work in Portal with some tweaks / safeguards in place so it's not abused, etc.
