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@l_Grand_Vizir_l
Dude, join Silk discord if you link him as the best one. His opinion is that heli is close to unplayable on any decent server if multiple Lis are shooting at you. Also, since you don't know anything about helis and it shows with your comments like "i won't pretend to be a very good pilot, average i'd say." - why bother posting your inexperienced opinion?
PS - you can check OP stats and decide how good he is as well. It doesn't have anything to do with helis being weak compared to previous BFs at this current point though.
PPS - also, why don't you open your stats for us to verify your game experience and skill? Afraid?
@-AC-Ju5t1ce wrote:@l_Grand_Vizir_l
Dude, join Silk discord if you link him as the best one. His opinion is that heli is close to unplayable on any decent server if multiple Lis are shooting at you. Also, since you don't know anything about helis and it shows with your comments like "i won't pretend to be a very good pilot, average i'd say." - why bother posting your inexperienced opinion?
PS - you can check OP stats and decide how good he is as well. It doesn't have anything to do with helis being weak compared to previous BFs at this current point though.
PPS - also, why don't you open your stats for us to verify your game experience and skill? Afraid?
You know, infantry is unplayable if multiple vehicles shoot at you. Armor is unplayable if multiple air are shooting at you.
So why should air get a break? The expectation that a game with 32-64 opponents and only 1 gets to engage you is a completely moronic expectation. It just shows the entitlement attitude with gaming.
Oh and for the record as someone who finally T1'd Lis, if youre dying to Lis, accelerate and you wont. Turn and you wont. Adjust pitch, go higher. The Lis rocket is the easiest things to avoid. Fly around a building, out of bounds.
Now after about 300 kills, I learned the pattern of pilots and planned my rockets accordingly. I began to down Tbirds and Stealths which are one hits. Not because they are easy, but because the pilots have enjoyed such an easy time of it, they became lazy pilots.
LOL, multiple Lis. That was hilarious. Hey everybody, the air pilot who has unlimited ammo and rockets thinks its unfair to team up on them.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Man_iLoveFishing3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Padding_Ur_StatsLiz has unlimited ammo too with higher delay. Let's not go there. Every other ground vehicle has it also.
Imo you shouldn't have that 1 hit reward with 20x spawn timer difference. If helo would instant spawn, you know, i wouldn't be here.- 3 years ago
@Man_iLoveFishing Liz has unlimited ammo too with higher delay. Lets not go there
Oh please lets go there. You have a 5 second overheat. She has a 20 second pause to get back 1 rocket. In that time, your Borg Regen of you sitting OB or behind a building regenerates ALL damage she did with the last rocket. 1 rocket from you kills a ground. Unless youre in a Tbird or Stealth, it takes 4 rockets. And frankly, if youre in something with the high speed and agility as the previous mentioned, and youre getting shot down a lot, youre not a good pilot. Those birds get hit from Lis about 1% of the time.
Every other ground vehicle has it also.
Yep, but they dont have the speed or ability to go out of bounds like air. Additionally, the topic is about Helos.
That being said, if you pay attention to my posts, I have lobbied for Borg Regen to be removed from the game on all platforms, yes, soldiers too.
Imo you shouldn't have that 1 hit reward with 20x spawn timer difference. If helo would instant spawn, you know, i wouldn't be here.
1 hit? Air farms ground. It isnt one hit. It is consistent hits all game long. You attempt to minimize the advantage of Air, and you fail miserably. If youre getting hit, you need to change your strat. MiniHelos should not get hit at all from Lis. Period. If they are, up your game.
- 3 years ago
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:You know, infantry is unplayable if multiple vehicles shoot at you. Armor is unplayable if multiple air are shooting at you.
So why should air get a break? The expectation that a game with 32-64 opponents and only 1 gets to engage you is a completely moronic expectation. It just shows the entitlement attitude with gaming.
Oh and for the record as someone who finally T1'd Lis, if youre dying to Lis, accelerate and you wont. Turn and you wont. Adjust pitch, go higher. The Lis rocket is the easiest things to avoid. Fly around a building, out of bounds.
Now after about 300 kills, I learned the pattern of pilots and planned my rockets accordingly. I began to down Tbirds and Stealths which are one hits. Not because they are easy, but because the pilots have enjoyed such an easy time of it, they became lazy pilots.LOL, multiple Lis. That was hilarious. Hey everybody, the air pilot who has unlimited ammo and rockets thinks its unfair to team up on them.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYou are another player with private profile and excuses to not show stats. Good players in this game end up with good stats. Low skill players don't. Not only you are not good at the game, you try to shove your incorrect opinion as objective and the only correct one. And no, every single soldier should NOT have a rocket launcher that can be replenished instantly with redeploy, insane maneuverability on rocket and finally the damage to one-shot the only, SINGLE attack vehicle that takes more time to master and learn. I don't know why it's difficult for people to understand, but recoilless M4/5 is litterally a worse version of TV against air now.
Go and check how TV was implemented in BF 4 please, that game made much more sense in the balance department.
- 3 years ago
@-AC-Ju5t1ce no one is obligated to show their stats and stats have ZERO to do with anyone's opinion. And you're right, good players have good stats and not so good players have not so good stats. That's life...and none of that has anything to do with someone's opinion being correct or not. It's called an "opinion" not a "fact" for a reason. I believe you are talking about a helo being the "SINGLE attack vehicle that takes more time to master and learn" and in my opinion, that's false. Especially the stealth. It's not all that.. I'm not a good pilot and can admit that (keyboard and mouse flying sucks) which is why I don't fly them often, but I can tell you I've NEVER been hit by a Lis missile and that is FACT. They are just way too easy to dodge. I haven't gone and looked at your profile and don't intend to because it's pointless, but I'm betting you fly mostly the stealths and not much else just based on the fact that you don't debate things about helos. Instead, you come in here and tell people they suck at the game and any opinion that doesn't favor the helo is wrong because they might just get a buff which would kill your ability to easily farm kills with the helo. Don't bother looking at my stats and I stand by to have you tell me my opinion is invalid too, because my stats are hidden. Everyone, hidden stats or not, knows that there is a balance issue in 2042 when a person can go 90 KD or better doing something...
- Man_iLoveFishing3 years agoSeasoned Ace@Echo6Echo No they are not easy to dodge. I stopped playing stealth because of Liz.
- 3 years ago
@-AC-Ju5t1ce You are another player with private profile and excuses to not show stats.
Excuses. BWAHAHAHAHA. I didnt start the thread. The main topic is all about excuses. Dear DICE Flying aint EZMode enough.
I will help you. My KD is about .42. Trying to T1 my C5 and Lis hasnt been easy. I am successful about 1 out of 10 times with C5. I have 300 kills C5. That is 3000 deaths. Stat hores always go to the stat page to epeen. Yet, if youre a pilot, you sit with the best safety in the game, farming ground with little consequence, and you epeen your skill. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Good players in this game end up with good stats.
No they dont. In fact, most people with good stats are bad players who are pilots because it is the easiest way to look good. Keep holding on to that opinion. LOLOLOLOL
Low skill players don't.
Not true again. Low skill players fly and epeen the stat board because their stats would tank if they were ground. They refuse to play ground because they get their self esteem from a stat board that keeps incomplete info. Let me help. I destroyed 9 vehicles in one conquest game. I had 9 kills, 25 deaths. I got no scoreboard credit for removing 9 vehicles, no points. We won the game by 25 points and I was in the bottom 10 on the coreboard. Those vehicles were a combination of Lis rockets and C5. I was solo in the game. Most of my deaths were while I was guiding missiles or charging a ground vehicle to apply the C5. You on the other hand hover at a range that Lis cannot reach, or you just strafe firing your unlimited ammo with 5 second cooldowns epeening how good you are. Get on my level dude.
Not only you are not good at the game, you try to shove your incorrect opinion as objective and the only correct one.
Say the flyer who wants it easier. BWAHAHAHAHAHHA Keep fighting for that invulnerable chopper so you can claim to have skill.
And no, every single soldier should NOT have a rocket launcher that can be replenished instantly
You mean like Helos?
with redeploy, insane maneuverability on rocket and finally the damage to one-shot the only, SINGLE attack vehicle that takes more time to master and learn.
Nobody is asking for 1 shot. Boy you give whiplash for moving goal posts. First its 4 Lis, now its one hit. Which is it? And the only helos 1 hit are the TBirds and Stealth. Again, if Lis is hitting you, get better. There is absolutely ZERO excuse to get hit with a Lis rocket when youre faster, more agile, and can just elevate out of range. You are warned of the incoming rocket, no excuses.
I don't know why it's difficult for people to understand, but recoilless M4/5 is litterally a worse version of TV against air now.
Go and check how TV was implemented in BF 4 please, that game made much more sense in the balance department.
You do realize Lis cannot carry a recoil or AA....... right? Second, Recoils cannot be steered, that is Lis G 84.
However, in the spirit of message board community.Recoils - Player gets 2. Cannot be guided. Not affected by counter measures. Turning avoids impact. Takes 4 to destroy most vehicles. Resupply by Angels Crate (cooldown applies) or redeploy
AA - Player gets 2. AI guided. Affected by counter measures. Can be avoided with buildings or terrain. Takes 4 to destroy most vehicles. Resupply by Angels Crate (cooldown applies) or redeploy
Lis Rocket - Player starts with 2. Guided but has limited range and little agility. Not affected by counter measures but is slower then almost all vehicles. Cannot destroy most vehicles no matter how many she shoots. Depending on where the missile impacts, damage is reduced. Lis lights up with a big red dot on screen and the mini map while guiding the rocket and is often killed before the rocket impacts by the target or other forces. Resupply by 20 second cooldown or redploy.
LOL..... Skill. bwahahahahahahahahaha
- Man_iLoveFishing3 years agoSeasoned Ace@Padding_Ur_Stats stop questioning my skill dude, I advice you to fly 1 day in Stealth.
- UP_Hawxxeye3 years agoLegend@Padding_Ur_Stats It is such a drag to practice the liz rockets with the amount of waiting involved in their reload.
- 3 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:
@Padding_Ur_StatsIt is such a drag to practice the liz rockets with the amount of waiting involved in their reload.bots...but yeah, it sucks
- 3 years ago
OK, I put together a couple of clips I took today. Here's the breakdown:
AA Runs
1. Shot one - shooting at a Stealth, he flares, then flips into stealth mode, drops bombs and hauls it out to safety.
2. Shot two - same stealth on his way back from regenning flares. He flares this shot.
3. Shot three - same stealth after he flared. I'm surprised I got this shot in as he was trying to hide in the rocks but wasn't low enough AND he was far away. (this just proves the buff to AA wasn't good enough. I do get a hit, but not a kill as no one else was shooting at him. Watch after the hit and you'll see him skulking around in the OOB regenning.
4. Shot four - Two things here. Number one, I was able to lock on through the tree which is surprising. Maybe that got fixed?? But after the shot, notice the stealth just slips into stealth and runs and I never get a hit.
5. The last sequence is the Stealth finally getting tired of me making him run. I thought he was going to come out of stealth because he didn't have a gunner, but turns out he did. You can see at the end, he drops bombs and then comes out of stealth as his gunner gets me.
CONCLUSION: A single person can barely get a hit on a Stealth with an AA. Even if two or even three of us were shooting at him, he probably would have survived. I think the one sequence where I actually get a hit, we could have gotten him ONLY if we all could have locked on and fired.
Lis TV Missile Runs
1. Shot one - Stealth just flat outruns the missile. Who said they couldn't outrun the thing???
2. Shot two - Originally I fired at the Hind, but the Stealth was closer. He easily jinks the missile. Believe me I was yanking and banking the mouse. I have a 16" up/down and 24" side to side mousepad. I was using ALL of it...How maneuverable is that thing again?
3. Shot three - I almost fired at the Stealth but it was going over the mountain. Notice the Hind when I fire IMMEDIATELY changes direction and starts jinking. He damn near outruns the missile flat out but finally just out jinks how quickly I can move. Again, I'm yanking and banking with 2 FEET of mousepad here...
4. Shot four - Fire at the Hind again and he just simply jinks at the last second. I can't turn around quick enough.
CONCLUSION: I'm not sure who thinks this missile is maneuvering like a stealth or little bird, but I'd like to see another video where it's doing it. And a chopper can most certainly outrun the thing. I wouldn't even bother firing it at a jet. You'd be hard pressed to get a consistent solid hit on a chopper with Lis.
Granted these pilots were pretty good, but that's the point...you AREN'T supposed to just sit still and farm away at the infantry. If you do that, yeah you'll get pummeled by both AA and TV missiles. But any amount of competency will overwhealm two or even three players shooting at you and that's bordering on OP. Not quite, but bordering. A really good pilot is going to run circles around these. ONLY if the other team has three or four good players who know how to box in, can the thing be taken down easily.
So where are the videos showing how EASY it is to hit with a Lis Missile?