Helicopter gameplay is near damn impossible
Hi. It's really getting out of hand. It's too spammy. Best i've had 4 TV dodge at once but eventually i loose to them cause i has nowhere to go, i can't counter cause person(s) that use, is hidden. ...
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@-AC-Ju5t1ce wrote:@l_Grand_Vizir_l
Dude, join Silk discord if you link him as the best one. His opinion is that heli is close to unplayable on any decent server if multiple Lis are shooting at you. Also, since you don't know anything about helis and it shows with your comments like "i won't pretend to be a very good pilot, average i'd say." - why bother posting your inexperienced opinion?
PS - you can check OP stats and decide how good he is as well. It doesn't have anything to do with helis being weak compared to previous BFs at this current point though.
PPS - also, why don't you open your stats for us to verify your game experience and skill? Afraid?
You know, infantry is unplayable if multiple vehicles shoot at you. Armor is unplayable if multiple air are shooting at you.
So why should air get a break? The expectation that a game with 32-64 opponents and only 1 gets to engage you is a completely moronic expectation. It just shows the entitlement attitude with gaming.
Oh and for the record as someone who finally T1'd Lis, if youre dying to Lis, accelerate and you wont. Turn and you wont. Adjust pitch, go higher. The Lis rocket is the easiest things to avoid. Fly around a building, out of bounds.
Now after about 300 kills, I learned the pattern of pilots and planned my rockets accordingly. I began to down Tbirds and Stealths which are one hits. Not because they are easy, but because the pilots have enjoyed such an easy time of it, they became lazy pilots.
LOL, multiple Lis. That was hilarious. Hey everybody, the air pilot who has unlimited ammo and rockets thinks its unfair to team up on them.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:You know, infantry is unplayable if multiple vehicles shoot at you. Armor is unplayable if multiple air are shooting at you.
So why should air get a break? The expectation that a game with 32-64 opponents and only 1 gets to engage you is a completely moronic expectation. It just shows the entitlement attitude with gaming.
Oh and for the record as someone who finally T1'd Lis, if youre dying to Lis, accelerate and you wont. Turn and you wont. Adjust pitch, go higher. The Lis rocket is the easiest things to avoid. Fly around a building, out of bounds.
Now after about 300 kills, I learned the pattern of pilots and planned my rockets accordingly. I began to down Tbirds and Stealths which are one hits. Not because they are easy, but because the pilots have enjoyed such an easy time of it, they became lazy pilots.LOL, multiple Lis. That was hilarious. Hey everybody, the air pilot who has unlimited ammo and rockets thinks its unfair to team up on them.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are another player with private profile and excuses to not show stats. Good players in this game end up with good stats. Low skill players don't. Not only you are not good at the game, you try to shove your incorrect opinion as objective and the only correct one. And no, every single soldier should NOT have a rocket launcher that can be replenished instantly with redeploy, insane maneuverability on rocket and finally the damage to one-shot the only, SINGLE attack vehicle that takes more time to master and learn. I don't know why it's difficult for people to understand, but recoilless M4/5 is litterally a worse version of TV against air now.
Go and check how TV was implemented in BF 4 please, that game made much more sense in the balance department.
@-AC-Ju5t1ce no one is obligated to show their stats and stats have ZERO to do with anyone's opinion. And you're right, good players have good stats and not so good players have not so good stats. That's life...and none of that has anything to do with someone's opinion being correct or not. It's called an "opinion" not a "fact" for a reason. I believe you are talking about a helo being the "SINGLE attack vehicle that takes more time to master and learn" and in my opinion, that's false. Especially the stealth. It's not all that.. I'm not a good pilot and can admit that (keyboard and mouse flying sucks) which is why I don't fly them often, but I can tell you I've NEVER been hit by a Lis missile and that is FACT. They are just way too easy to dodge. I haven't gone and looked at your profile and don't intend to because it's pointless, but I'm betting you fly mostly the stealths and not much else just based on the fact that you don't debate things about helos. Instead, you come in here and tell people they suck at the game and any opinion that doesn't favor the helo is wrong because they might just get a buff which would kill your ability to easily farm kills with the helo. Don't bother looking at my stats and I stand by to have you tell me my opinion is invalid too, because my stats are hidden. Everyone, hidden stats or not, knows that there is a balance issue in 2042 when a person can go 90 KD or better doing something...
- @Echo6Echo No they are not easy to dodge. I stopped playing stealth because of Liz.
@Man_iLoveFishing @Echo6Echo No they are not easy to dodge. I stopped playing stealth because of Liz.
In the spirit of message board community
Accelerate and turn. You just beat the Lis missile. If you accelerate and elevate. You will outrun the missile. It has limited range. If you turn, the missile has little agility. Again, because of the limited range and agility, the missile will poof.
@Echo6Echo wrote:
@-AC-Ju5t1ce no one is obligated to show their stats and stats have ZERO to do with anyone's opinion. And you're right, good players have good stats and not so good players have not so good stats. That's life...and none of that has anything to do with someone's opinion being correct or not. It's called an "opinion" not a "fact" for a reason. I believe you are talking about a helo being the "SINGLE attack vehicle that takes more time to master and learn" and in my opinion, that's false. Especially the stealth. It's not all that.. I'm not a good pilot and can admit that (keyboard and mouse flying sucks) which is why I don't fly them often, but I can tell you I've NEVER been hit by a Lis missile and that is FACT. They are just way too easy to dodge. I haven't gone and looked at your profile and don't intend to because it's pointless, but I'm betting you fly mostly the stealths and not much else just based on the fact that you don't debate things about helos. Instead, you come in here and tell people they suck at the game and any opinion that doesn't favor the helo is wrong because they might just get a buff which would kill your ability to easily farm kills with the helo. Don't bother looking at my stats and I stand by to have you tell me my opinion is invalid too, because my stats are hidden. Everyone, hidden stats or not, knows that there is a balance issue in 2042 when a person can go 90 KD or better doing something...
Why hide them though? You hide them as well apparently. If you are objective with yourself, there is nothing to hide from the rest of people in here. I tag this stat topic because people start talking about themself first (yet they are nothing special) and because in any debate you have to be honest with your opponent. Those guys are not honest even with their reflection. Having said that, their opinions on the game are indeed biased. They all want to take out any vehicle as a solo infantry and they want it as easy as possible. Dice is potentially on board with this causality, considering Lis missile properties. A lot of options were presented above about how the TV can be adjusted to require more skill and be more fair to air drivers at the same time.
PS - just a thought for you as well, maybe opinions would actually differ based on skill level in the game. And maybe the devs should listen to both categories of players, not just the low skill bracket trying to make the game as casual as possible
PPS - if you think that some aspects of the heli itself are way too easy to master/casual, you'd prolly be surprised but I would gladly remove stealth mode and/or noob 30mm entirely just to get rid of similar casual options for infantry or other AA choices. It's just the problem of development, where Dice tries to give fun to everyone. Make bad pilots get frags as well with splash or have the option to remove lock-ons completely. This discussion doesn't change the fact that there are way too many ways to deal with the heli and it doesn't perform well atm.And again, you missed the point. Let me try saying it another way....stats don't matter. I could have a 30 KD and say that I'm a great player but in reality my cap numbers are low, I don't have many resupplies or revives, my team play is bad, and I've only got a small number of weapons even close to T1, but I'm a great player right? So my opinion counts more than anyone else? Or is it because all I do is stare at the screen waiting on a helo to spawn or a vehicle to spawn. Perhaps I have a modest KD like 1.5 or 2, but I've got 10s of 1000s of revives and resupplies, lots and lots of caps and most of my weapons and gadgets are T1'd. Who's the better player? Who opinion matters more?
Stop worrying about stats and start coming up with some concrete points that can be backed up or just call them your opinions and they carry the same weight at everyone else. And I agree....ALL opinions should be weighed, not just one group or the other...regardless, coming in here calling people names and saying they are bad at the game ain't the way.
Heli IMO are unbalanced when you can go 90 - 0 in them...
@-AC-Ju5t1ce You are another player with private profile and excuses to not show stats.
Excuses. BWAHAHAHAHA. I didnt start the thread. The main topic is all about excuses. Dear DICE Flying aint EZMode enough.
I will help you. My KD is about .42. Trying to T1 my C5 and Lis hasnt been easy. I am successful about 1 out of 10 times with C5. I have 300 kills C5. That is 3000 deaths. Stat hores always go to the stat page to epeen. Yet, if youre a pilot, you sit with the best safety in the game, farming ground with little consequence, and you epeen your skill. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Good players in this game end up with good stats.
No they dont. In fact, most people with good stats are bad players who are pilots because it is the easiest way to look good. Keep holding on to that opinion. LOLOLOLOL
Low skill players don't.
Not true again. Low skill players fly and epeen the stat board because their stats would tank if they were ground. They refuse to play ground because they get their self esteem from a stat board that keeps incomplete info. Let me help. I destroyed 9 vehicles in one conquest game. I had 9 kills, 25 deaths. I got no scoreboard credit for removing 9 vehicles, no points. We won the game by 25 points and I was in the bottom 10 on the coreboard. Those vehicles were a combination of Lis rockets and C5. I was solo in the game. Most of my deaths were while I was guiding missiles or charging a ground vehicle to apply the C5. You on the other hand hover at a range that Lis cannot reach, or you just strafe firing your unlimited ammo with 5 second cooldowns epeening how good you are. Get on my level dude.
Not only you are not good at the game, you try to shove your incorrect opinion as objective and the only correct one.
Say the flyer who wants it easier. BWAHAHAHAHAHHA Keep fighting for that invulnerable chopper so you can claim to have skill.
And no, every single soldier should NOT have a rocket launcher that can be replenished instantly
You mean like Helos?
with redeploy, insane maneuverability on rocket and finally the damage to one-shot the only, SINGLE attack vehicle that takes more time to master and learn.
Nobody is asking for 1 shot. Boy you give whiplash for moving goal posts. First its 4 Lis, now its one hit. Which is it? And the only helos 1 hit are the TBirds and Stealth. Again, if Lis is hitting you, get better. There is absolutely ZERO excuse to get hit with a Lis rocket when youre faster, more agile, and can just elevate out of range. You are warned of the incoming rocket, no excuses.
I don't know why it's difficult for people to understand, but recoilless M4/5 is litterally a worse version of TV against air now.
Go and check how TV was implemented in BF 4 please, that game made much more sense in the balance department.
You do realize Lis cannot carry a recoil or AA....... right? Second, Recoils cannot be steered, that is Lis G 84.
However, in the spirit of message board community.Recoils - Player gets 2. Cannot be guided. Not affected by counter measures. Turning avoids impact. Takes 4 to destroy most vehicles. Resupply by Angels Crate (cooldown applies) or redeploy
AA - Player gets 2. AI guided. Affected by counter measures. Can be avoided with buildings or terrain. Takes 4 to destroy most vehicles. Resupply by Angels Crate (cooldown applies) or redeploy
Lis Rocket - Player starts with 2. Guided but has limited range and little agility. Not affected by counter measures but is slower then almost all vehicles. Cannot destroy most vehicles no matter how many she shoots. Depending on where the missile impacts, damage is reduced. Lis lights up with a big red dot on screen and the mini map while guiding the rocket and is often killed before the rocket impacts by the target or other forces. Resupply by 20 second cooldown or redploy.
LOL..... Skill. bwahahahahahahahahaha
- @Padding_Ur_Stats stop questioning my skill dude, I advice you to fly 1 day in Stealth.
- @Man_iLoveFishing What skill. If you are flying a Tbird or strealth, and youre complaing about Lis, I question your skill.
accelerate dude. Youre warned of the rocket.
- @Padding_Ur_Stats You really need to stop talking. You’re a .4 KD player that complained Casper’s drone couldn’t C5 armor out of nowhere. You have absolutely no clue how the game is played at the highest levels.
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