Helicopter gameplay is near damn impossible

@Man_iLoveFishing  @Echo6Echo No they are not easy to dodge. I stopped playing stealth because of Liz.

In the spirit of message board community

Accelerate and turn.  You just beat the Lis missile.   If you accelerate and elevate.  You will outrun the missile. It has limited range.   If you turn, the missile has little agility.  Again, because of the limited range and agility, the missile will poof.

@Man_iLoveFishing
@Padding_Ur_StatsNope. You can't outrun Liz rocket with Stealth helo. There is ur error already.

Nope, elevate is too slow.

Nope turning is too slow in helo. I tried both parties and can tell.

Yes you can.  Seen it 100 times.  I have T1'd Lis.  Your helo is faster then her rocket.  Your helo is more agile then her rocket.  Your helo has greater range then her rocket.

This is your problem.

If you cannot do any of these, youre doing something wrong.

@Man_iLoveFishing
@Padding_Ur_Stats It's how you shoot, if I'm flying away and you shoot behind, you missile travels FASTER,

Youre faster and you are warned.  Turn, Hard right when you hear tone.  You just beat Lis

but you are going to be out of range.

Lis missiles are like a 300 meter range.  Fly fast for 300 meters.

Now, if missile is coming from front, tell me theory how fast I can fly away.

This is different.  Not only do you get tone, but you see this HUGE RED FLARE heading right at you.  TURN!!!!!!!    Elevate.   OMG they do it literally

ALL THE TIME

I cannot understand how you are getting farmed by Lis.   The only thing I can think of is youre one of those Helos who hover over objectives pummeling it with your unlimited ammo and rockets.   That is what is getting you hit.  

Even still, The moment you hear tone.  Bank, elevate, accelerate.   You just beat Lis.

@Padding_Ur_Statsever done physics? Now simulate that in your head, you can cut me cause you missile turns faster with same speed, if I do hard turn my velocity drops.

Edit: I have same exact situation on video, after few hours I get home from work I can show. 

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@Padding_Ur_Statsever done physics? Now simulate that in your head, you can cut me cause you missile turns faster with same speed, if I do hard turn my velocity drops.

Youre trying to bring real life physics into this?  Boy, youre way off.  No physics are in the game.  None.  Only code.  If the programmers wanted missiles to make 90 degree turns, they could program it. 

You really need to stop talking. You’re a .4 KD player that complained Casper’s drone couldn’t C5 armor out of nowhere. You have absolutely no clue how the game is played at the highest levels.

There it is.  The white flag.   I accept your surrender.  You cannot refute anything I say so you go for the stat board.  Yes, I think the drones should not have been nerfed, but it was and I adapted.   You on the other hand believe Physics is involved.   And you say I have no clue about how the game is played.  Lastly, dont confuse your wants with my needs.  You dont play at a high level son.  In fact, you suck if you cannot avoid a Lis missile. 

If "physics" was involved in this game.  Rockets would 1 hit armor and air.  C5 would be delivered by drones.   You see son, that is what is happening in real life physics. 

Get better.  I gave you some suggestions, go practice and let the big boys talk about this topic.

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@Padding_Ur_StatsMan, I am not bringing irl physics on table.

Quick math:

You shoot rocket right? It's instant speed 1 and then you can accelerate it to speed 2, correct? So, when you are firing rocket towards me, I see it very clearly and loudly. I start banking and turning with currently slow/medium speed. You start to anticipate my path cause you clearly see me turning, now since you have that speed, meanwhile I have to speed up. Difference is, I have to get that momentum to get that velocity that you talk about helo being faster than rocket. I will never get that speed and if I start to jiggle, I will loose speed and helo is too slow on turning.

That's how Stealth helo behaves. If you ever flied, you should know AND understand that.

Topics point also isn't about kdr, keep that out guys. Also not about getting shot by one. Talking about 2-4 coming at the same time and that's good teamwork but being 1 hit is a bit too much. It's whole new flieger but imo in next level.

I was dumb enough deleting video for more space. But i had some screenies done.

That btw got me. And as you see it even didn't indicate missile, i still started dodging cause i heard it coming. And meanwhile i went to the left, i tried to drop fast altitude and bank to the right but its too slow to do that.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@Padding_Ur_StatsMan, I am not bringing irl physics on table.

Quick math:

You shoot rocket right? It's instant speed 1 and then you can accelerate it to speed 2, correct? So, when you are firing rocket towards me, I see it very clearly and loudly. I start banking and turning with currently slow/medium speed. You start to anticipate my path cause you clearly see me turning, now since you have that speed, meanwhile I have to speed up. Difference is, I have to get that momentum to get that velocity that you talk about helo being faster than rocket. I will never get that speed and if I start to jiggle, I will loose speed and helo is too slow on turning.

the right but its too slow to do that.

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I don't know what to tell you, but go back and look at my video. There's proof... You can see the stealth obviously knows my rocket is coming and turns and outruns it. And oh, btw, if you watch the rest, you'll see him easily out maneuvering them. Also a tip, when you go to boost, you loose what little control you had, so even if I had caught that stealth, he could have easily dodged as control was gone....And sorry...you can't tell anything from those pics. I wouldn't even want to speculate. 

@Echo6EchoHelos does not outrun TV missile. Rn playing, you are shooting vehicles that are too far.

EDIT: By the way, with boost rocket travels almost the same speed as jet. Jet is faster than helo.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

@Echo6EchoHelos does not outrun TV missile. Rn playing, you are shooting vehicles that are too far.

EDIT: By the way, with boost rocket travels almost the same speed as jet. Jet is faster than helo.

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Hahaha! He was 100m from me and he did outrun it. You see it plain as day. And I told you, if you use boost you lose mobility. He was going to dodge it anyway. And jets outrun AA missiles...Lis has ZERO chance.

I want to see the videos of you making the missile perform like you say it will...I've shown you what I see, show me what you see. Until then, it's just talk...

And i'm on it.

That red container is 100m. It's almost almost 3 seconds of flight time with rocket without boost. Spotting rocket and helo will not accelerate that fast to its max speed in 3 seconds.

Hey, you are right, Liz rocket doesn't outrun helos.

EDIT: Adding that, i'm total noob with Liz.

For those of you that are shooting TV missiles at stealth helis - what would you say your hit rate is against competent pilots (at least experienced enough to hear the noise and attempt to evade)?

5%? 10? 20%?

@AngrySquid270a competent pilot will barrel roll out of the way on cue with the sound unless they get cocky.

Since the patch that added the separate heli controls, one can keybind everything so that even with a M&K one can barrel roll to the side at the press of a button.

It is a bit like the attack helicopter mission in Assault Horizon where you barrel roll to avoid missiles.

@UP_Hawxxeyeand after barrel roll helo has lost its speed and maneuverability and TV missile makes U-Turn.

EDIT: And helo has no chance making barrel roll if i'm close enough and smash that boost button.

EDIT2: Anyways, i can make later video of trying to dodge it. I can tell, sweaty it is and when there's constantly 2,3,4 at the time. Can't help.

@Man_iLoveFishingSeriously anyone who can still hit with the crappy liz missile after all this have earned their kill.

I survived with multiple barrel rolls back when the half the teams were using liz out of novelty, the odds that a pilot will encounter someone so competent that they can make such a trick shot are so tiny that they are not worth considering.

The pilots in that video do not even bother evading cause they refuse to believe anyone can hit them with the missile based on their previous experience.

Of course if they ever double the fuel of the liz missiles or make them turn faster, I will have to retract that statement.

@UP_HawxxeyeExactly they refused but some did not. Also, its my first 3 hours with lizz.

@Man_iLoveFishingyou are clearly experienced with TV missiles though.

It is a transferable skill in BF games. Am I wrong to believe that you were nailing jets and helis with the BF3/4 TV missiles in the past? Cause the precision you display in the videos reminds me of such footage from BF3/4.

Either that or you are really talented and far above the capabilities of almost everyone in this playerbase.

You have inspired me to give liz more chances to work vs aircraft.

The problem is usually to resist the temptation to redeploy instead of waiting for the missile reload time.

@UP_Hawxxeye Basically, all hits on a non-evading helicopter. It is not very difficult to hit such targets. With the right equipment, you will learn how to hit often. The simplicity lies in the fact that you drive the missile closer to the target and, by calculating the lead, do the acceleration. But hitting a helicopter that spotted the approach of the G-84 is almost impossible. But I often see the same players picking you out of any dodge.

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@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

Hey, you are right, Liz rocket doesn't outrun helos.

EDIT: Adding that, i'm total noob with Liz.

You are lucky. NONE of those pilots did anything to evade. What I asked for was video of the missile outperforming the helo and you show me this where they are basically sitting still and not dodging or running away? Most of these your pilots had them surrounded anyway and they weren't moving. This isn't even in the same league as the pilots I was trying to hit. Go look at the difference. And you didn't prove anything about whether they can outrun them or no as NONE of your shots show a pilot trying it...go look at my video where the pilot isn't being hassled and is actually trying to evade the missile. 

At the end of the day, we never said you can't hit a helo with a Lis, what we said is it's impossible if the pilot is any good. You showed a bunch of sitting ducks and try to pass it off as the missile being all that. Tell you what....let's get in a game together and you try to shoot me down in a helo with a Lis rocket....

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@AngrySquid270 wrote:

For those of you that are shooting TV missiles at stealth helis - what would you say your hit rate is against competent pilots (at least experienced enough to hear the noise and attempt to evade)?

5%? 10? 20%?

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You saw my video?  That's representative of a pilot paying attention. Less than 1% I'd say against a competent pilot. Yes I've gotten hits, but the pilot was crap or not paying attention.

@Echo6Echo The problem is that when you dodge the G-84, you make sharp maneuvers with a loss of altitude. In such situations, you can fly into an obstacle or lose your advantage in a dogfight. I have had cases when you dodge a couple of G-84s, they buzz around and in a panic you don’t know where to dodge. Yes, you will dodge it, but it makes you an easy target for others.